Could the Leafs go with the 7-3-1 ED list

[zeke]

Joey Anderson needs protection.

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under contract in 2021-22, AND played in 27 or more NHL games last season, OR played in 54 or more NHL games in the last two seasons

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Anderson:

* under contract in 2021-22 YES
* played in 27 or more NHL games last season NO
* played in 54 or more NHl games last two seasons NO

 

[SeaOfBlue]

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under contract in 2021-22, AND played in 27 or more NHL games last season, OR played in 54 or more NHL games in the last two seasons

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Anderson:

* under contract in 2021-22 YES
* played in 27 or more NHL games last season NO
* played in 54 or more NHl games last two seasons NO

That's for the forward requirement. We need to have 1 forward and 1 defenseman who meets that requirement so we don't just have a bunch of minor leaguers available for Seattle.

Joey Anderson does not meet that requirement, but he is still eligible to be selected.

 

[Cor]

Anderson doesn't need protection. So again you're just using 6 of the 7 protected forward spots.

Anderson is expansion eligible.

 

[zeke]

That's for the forward requirement. We need to have 1 forward and 1 defenseman who meets that requirement so we don't just have a bunch of minor leaguers available for Seattle.

Joey Anderson does not meet that requirement, but he is still eligible to be selected.

ah I see what you mean. interesting.

So say we could protect:

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Kerfoot, Engvall, Anderson
Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie
Campbell

Which would leave the available controllable players as (with the required players asterisked):

F: Spezza*, Simmonds*, Brooks, Petan, Malgin
D: Holl*, Dermott*
G: Hutchinson


It's an interesting choice, if you think Holl/Dermott is a coinflip, and if you think either of them would be picked anyways if they were the only one D left exposed.

 

[Suntouchable13]

If Kerfoot is taken and Hyman signs elsewhere, who is our 5th best forward right now? Yikes.

 

[A1LeafNation]

If Kerfoot is taken and Hyman signs elsewhere, who is our 5th best forward right now? Yikes.

Exactly what I'm thinking. The lack of forwards scare me more than the defence right now.

 

[zeke]

If Kerfoot is taken and Hyman signs elsewhere, who is our 5th best forward right now? Yikes.

we'd have $12.0m in capspace to address that problem.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'd rather have Holl over Kerfoot and it isn't close. 4-4-1

If Kerfoot and Dermott are available, I think they take Dermott.

I think Francis is selecting the most valuable assets rather than building a team, so I don't think they'll take Kerfoot's contract.

 

[The Podium]

Those high priced forwards have gutted the middle of Leafs forward roster leaving only aging vets on bargain bin contracts that no expansion team would really want like Spezza and Simmonds as the fallout from the core 4 cost. That is why really Leafs are not forced into protecting them. Otherwise we would still have players like Kapanaen and Johnsson etc to protect if not for the endless cap crunch situation Leafs find themselves in annually to be cap complaint.

Exposing Kerfoot after trading Kadri + 3rd to obtain him, (along with Barrie originally) would leave the Leafs nothing from that trade. Another deal made for cap reasons due to the core 4.

That is not entirely true I thought of 1 remote solution for the Leafs to use 7-3-1 formation and protect Kerfoot.

How about completely out of the box thinking, that hasn't been mentioned here, with your suggestions they expose Holl instead of Kerfoot. Because if that is truly their strategy then Leafs could use the 7--3-1 formation and protect all of Kerfoot, Anderson and Brooks along with 3 Dmen and Campbell to achieve that.

This last option means you have some retainable assets from both the Kadri and Andreas Johnsson deals by protecting Kerfoot and Joey Anderson.

I mean, the Leafs definitely sacrificed depth for a top heavy team but it has nothing to do with ED.

They will have roughly 12 million this offseason to mainly round out their forwards, many of whom would be protected if acquired prior to the ED.

 

[kevsh]

but when one sits down and really look at things its really the core 4 that eat up 1/2 the cap and then a bunch of bottom filled aging players on cheap contracts making $1 mil

You don't really need to take the time do sit down and look at this, it's been pointed out, dissected, argued and groaned over repeatedly in hundreds of Leafs threads the past few years.

 

[zeke]

It is odd how people keep bringing this up. Their depth was actually the only reason they made it to game 7 this season. The big boys were the ones who didn't show up, and ultimately cost them.

quite true.

Playoffs, Bottom-6 forwards:

TOR: Kerf/Spezza/Galy/Jumbo/Simmonds/Soup/Engvall/brooks/Nash: 51gms, 18pts = .35ppg

TBL: Gourde/Coleman/Goodrow/Colton/Johnson/Maroon/Joseph: 139gms, 43pts = .31ppg

 

[Azail]

quite true.

Playoffs, Bottom-6 forwards:

TOR: Kerfoot/Spezza/Galchenyuk/Thornton/Simmonds/Mikheyev/Engvall/brooks/Nash: 51gms, 18pts = .35ppg

TBL: Gourde/Coleman/Goodrow/Colton/Johnson/Maroon/Joseph: 139gms, 43pts = .31ppg

Yep, I was just looking at the numbers myself, and shockingly if you read the narratives around here, the depth was fine. The difference was Matthews and Marner were nowhere near Point and Kuch. And JT was injured so there goes our 'Stammer.'

 

[zeke]

quite true.

Playoffs, Bottom-6 forwards:

TOR: Kerf/Spezza/Galy/Jumbo/Simmonds/Soup/Engvall/brooks/Nash: 51gms, 18pts = .35ppg

TBL: Gourde/Coleman/Goodrow/Colton/Johnson/Maroon/Joseph: 139gms, 43pts = .31ppg

Meanwhile, Top-6 forwards:

TOR: Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Hyman/Foligno: 33gms, 19pts = .58ppg
TBL: Kucherov/Point/Stamkos/Killorn/Palat/Cirelli: 114gms, 115pts = 1.01ppg

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It is odd how people keep bringing this up. Their depth was actually the only reason they made it to game 7 this season. The big boys were the ones who didn't show up, and ultimately cost them.

Nylander was one of our best forwards. Rielly was easily our best defenseman, and our defense on the whole was good too. Campbell was excellent in Games 1-4, but was iffy in Games 5-7. Tavares was hurt unfortunately. Even Matthews was fairly successful, outside of his shooting percentage.

Goalies giving up bad goals at bad times, not converting despite generating great chances, Marner struggling on various levels, and then some stupid mistakes seem to be the factors that came up again... The problem is, outside of trading Marner (which is a lot easier said than done) or getting a goalie who doesn't give up bad goals (although Campbell did not even do that very often in the regular season nor in Games 1-4), I don't really know how the Leafs fix any of those issues in the offseason. Improving the bottom 6 might help out a little bit, but ultimately, if they get plagued with making stupid mistakes or not converting too, then does it make a difference? We should improve the bottom 6 regardless, but it is not going to guarantee anything because it is not like we have a glaring weakness on paper. Besides maybe Campbell...

 

[4thline]

It is odd how people keep bringing this up. Their depth was actually the only reason they made it to game 7 this season. The big boys were the ones who didn't show up, and ultimately cost them.

Yeah but the people bringing it up said that depth would be the problem, therefore depth was the problem- regardless of what actually happened.

 

[TMLAM34]

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Kerfoot, Brooks and Anderson

Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin

Campbell


Give Seattle the option between Holl and Dermott.

 

[zeke]

Nylander is in the core 4 that uses up 1/2 the cap so why mention him as depth?. He is the only one of those 4 that contributed.

If you shut down the cor 4 then you don't have the depth to win.. You know how I know that?

Because that is what actually happened and Leafs lost the series.

If you want the say the Matthews and Marner choked then that is same as saying Leafs depth couldn't overcome that.

you shut down any team's core 4 and they don't have the depth to win.

 

[zeke]

you shut down any team's core 4 and they don't have the depth to win.

for example, the much-lauded super-deeep Vegas Knights, vs MTL:

Stone/Pacioretty/Karlsson/Marchessault/Smith/Stephenson: 6gms, 13pts - lost in 6

 

[IPS]

Meanwhile, Top-6 forwards:

TOR: Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Hyman/Foligno: 33gms, 19pts = .58ppg
TBL: Kucherov/Point/Stamkos/Killorn/Palat/Cirelli: 114gms, 115pts = 1.01ppg

Is this supposed to prove something we didn't already know?

 

[ShaneFalco]

you shut down any team's core 4 and they don't have the depth to win.

Problem is, as CBJ and the Habs have shown, among other teams when the checking gets tighter, the Leaf's core 4 are easily shut down and the PP is abysmal

 

[A1LeafNation]

quite true.

Playoffs, Bottom-6 forwards:

TOR: Kerf/Spezza/Galy/Jumbo/Simmonds/Soup/Engvall/brooks/Nash: 51gms, 18pts = .35ppg

TBL: Gourde/Coleman/Goodrow/Colton/Johnson/Maroon/Joseph: 139gms, 43pts = .31ppg

I agree bottom 6 wasn't a problem this playoffs.

However the problem right now for the Leafs is our signed forwards 5-9 and compared to Tampa's signed forwards 5-9.

 

[notbias]

If Kerfoot is taken and Hyman signs elsewhere, who is our 5th best forward right now? Yikes.

We can see how valuable this cap space thing is everyone keeps raving about and wanting us to drop superstars for.

 

[notbias]

Problem is, as CBJ and the Habs have shown, among other teams when the checking gets tighter, the Leaf's core 4 are easily shut down and the PP is abysmal

Easily shut down? Did you watch the series? The Matthews line finished top 10 in quality chances in the entire playoffs and you think they were easily shut down? Price played amazingly. If your definition of shutting a line down is to allow them to pepper the goalie with quality chances and hope he bails you out, then yes, they were shut down. The fact you included Nylander and Tavares as players who were shut down is comical.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Leafs are not going to waste 2 protection slots on Spezza and Simmonds.
the only reason the Leafs would go 7-3 would be to protect Engvall, and Mik along with Kerfoot, but, that is not likely.

Soup is exempt. He’s only completed 2 “pro seasons” according to the expansion rules

 

[ShaneFalco]

Easily shut down? Did you watch the series? The Matthews line finished top 10 in quality chances in the entire playoffs and you think they were easily shut down? Price played amazingly. If your definition of shutting a line down is to allow them to pepper the goalie with quality chances and hope he bails you out, then yes, they were shut down. The fact you included Nylander and Tavares as players who were shut down is comical.

Ooooooh quality chances
You stats guys sometimes
They didn't produce end of story - again
Nylander was grwt this series, JT was hurt. Point still stands the core is easily shut down on.playoff style hockey.
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