OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

[will1066]

Waiting on Fauci to be fired. Maybe he is hoping to be fired.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The article was about what Trump said during the announcement of the national emergency and if what he said is true a month later. Just to narrow it down to the website portion, are you actually arguing that what he said has come to fruition? Here is what you replied with:



A month later and only 12k have been screened. Would you say it was quickly done or applicable to the nation as a whole? Because that is the whole point of the article! Here is what was said, here is what actually happened.

Not that I think this is an important point, but it was a lie or incorrect piece of information that Google was working on it. Simple as that. Why is it wrong to point that out? They give the accurate information in the article. Should they not provide the factual information in an article like this? Should the media just ignore incorrect information?

And again, I don't blame Trump for us not having a website for this. He isn't a web designer. But if he tells us something is going to happen is it not fair to circle back a month later and talk about how it didn't?

still haven’t read the answer lol Perfect example of your established narrative.

On behalf of everybody, there is no reason to continually remind us you don’t blame the person you continually bash daily. The latest article was discredited.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Not that I think this is an important point, but it was a lie or incorrect piece of information that Google was working on it. Simple as that. Why is it wrong to point that out?
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Verily is a Google owned company.

Not that you think it’s important, nor do you blame the same person daily . . . .

lol - and you wonder why i would rather focus on the virus rather than these bias sources of news and perceived knowledge.

 

[Fireonk]

still haven’t read the answer lol Perfect example of your established narrative.

On behalf of everybody, there is no reason to continually remind us you don’t blame the person you continually bash daily. The latest article was discredited.

I read it, and there was nothing you posted that makes the article incorrect. You are trying to defend statements by the president because there happens to be some website that exists that was created by a sister company of Google. The article states all of that already. So give me a specific of what you are adding that the article doesn't address?

I do have to remind you because you instantly took my posting of the article as a Trump bashing. The article goes through what he said a month ago when he declared a national emergency and goes through each one to see if that has come to fruition. That includes some things he said and followed through on which were positives.

 

[NYSPORTS]

These 21 companies are working on coronavirus treatments or vaccines — here’s where things stand

21 companies are working on coronavirus treatments or vaccines — here’s where things stand


Clinical trials:
1. As of April 9, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases is enrolling patients in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled Phase 2 trial

2. As of April 9, Gilead said a randomized, open-label Phase 3 trial

3. As of April 9, Gilead said a randomized, open-label Phase 3 trial

 

[Fireonk]

Verily is a Google owned company.

Not that you think it’s important, nor do you blame the same person daily . . . .

lol - and you wonder why i would rather focus on the virus rather than these bias sources of news and perceived knowledge.

No, Verily is an Alphabet owned company and Alphabet also owns Google. But I guess that was the fickle media playing tricks on you.

I was saying that I don't actually think him making that mistake was a big deal. I was actually defending that attack against him but you are too biased to see it.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I read it, and there was nothing you posted that makes the article incorrect. .

Lol, yeah ok.

 

[sbjnyc]

What does taking it seriously look like? Does it look like urging people into Chinese restaurants to have the delicious food? Or does it look like when your own expert says it is not goin gto be a big deal.

And what pictures am I talking about? There was footage everywhere about what was going on in Wuhan.

Cuomo could have acted years ago on ventilators and masks. In March, Cuomo was also urging people to go out and claiming that everything was under control and NY was ahead of the curve. Did he take it seriously?

NO ONE in this entire country would have acted any sooner. Unless of course we refer to posters on a message board.

What is it with the whataboutism? I'm not asking about Cuomo, Obama or Ronald Reagan. My own expert? I don't have any experts. Except apparently you who is the only one I've seen claim they 100% knew there was going to be a pandemic last year (or apparently several years ago). Regarding the pictures I'd like to see the specific pictures from last year that you're referring to.

Here is a timeline of Trump/Cuomo response from ABC. OT: - Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

Please be specific if you find anything inaccurate.

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[True Blue]

What is it with the whataboutism? I'm not asking about Cuomo, Obama or Ronald Reagan. My own expert? I don't have any experts. Except apparently you who is the only one I've seen claim they 100% knew there was going to be a pandemic last year (or apparently several years ago). Regarding the pictures I'd like to see the specific pictures from last year that you're referring to.

Here is a timeline of Trump/Cuomo response from ABC. OT: - Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

Please be specific if you find anything inaccurate.

You are saying that Trump should have more prepared. And I am telling you that NO ONE would have been more prepared. So I am not sure where you are going. You may not have experts but surely you have a radio or a television or some sort of portable device that allows for outside interaction? If yes, then you would have seen the so-called experts in February assuring that this was not going to be a big deal.

You are going to tell me that in you really never seen any footage from Wuhan? I am not any social media whatsoever, but when my office was full there were multiple videos and pictures from China. People would show stuff on their computer all the time. Now if you are saying that despite all of that, one would listen to what virtually everyone of import in this country was saying then you just underscore my point that there was no one that was going to be in charge that would have done any more.

As for timelines, you really have never seen Cuomo in March say that NY is ahead of this?

 

[GordonGecko]

You are saying that Trump should have more prepared. And I am telling you that NO ONE would have been more prepared.

That's the bottom line here, everyone thought that a pandemic was something out of a science fiction movie and did not treat it as an actual threat. That goes for European countries, Canada, poor countries, rich countries, they all pretty much did the same as Trump. The only ones in the world that acted from the beginning were the South Koreans, that's who we need to copy for the next time

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You are saying that Trump should have more prepared. And I am telling you that NO ONE would have been more prepared. So I am not sure where you are going. You may not have experts but surely you have a radio or a television or some sort of portable device that allows for outside interaction? If yes, then you would have seen the so-called experts in February assuring that this was not going to be a big deal.

The bolded seems to overlook the fact that multiple federal agencies got briefed on this in late 2019, were to told to take action, and they chose not to. Plus the added fact of the current administration dismantled the pandemic task force and disregarded the guidelines that were drawn up for them from the previous regime.

Saying no one could have been more prepared seems disingenuous to me. The reality is our country was brazen in their disregard for this issue, until people got their shit together and realized "oh wait maybe this is going to be a problem"

 

[LORDE]

The bolded seems to overlook the fact that multiple federal agencies got briefed on this in late 2019, were to told to take action, and they chose not to. Plus the added fact of the current administration dismantled the pandemic task force and disregarded the guidelines that were drawn up for them from the previous regime.

Saying no one could have been more prepared seems disingenuous to me. The reality is our country was brazen in their disregard for this issue, until people got their shit together and realized "oh wait maybe this is going to be a problem"

By then it was too late.

It was going to hit us, and hard... but measures could have and should have been taken to minimize or SLOW it.

Fauci saying in Feb that no one should panic but we should be ready to change was well ahead of any action. He said that in the media. Is he a cheerleader for this country? What did he say when speaking to Trump, Kushner, Pence etc.?

I have no doubt that everyone who was briefed and then who spoke to the media were trying to keep everyone calm. That's fine. But when intelligence and memos are sent from Nov - current and nothing is done to mitigate it it raises questions and rightly so IMO

 

[Fireonk]

That's the bottom line here, everyone thought that a pandemic was something out of a science fiction movie and did not treat it as an actual threat. That goes for European countries, Canada, poor countries, rich countries, they all pretty much did the same as Trump. The only ones in the world that acted from the beginning were the South Koreans, that's who we need to copy for the next time

But it's not just Country X succeeded and every other country failed. It is a spectrum and all the countries land at different points on it. Some other countries still acted faster, even if not quite as fast as South Korea, and some countries acted slower. Not just a binary this country acted fast enough and this country didn't.

Acting even 10 days faster on certain things makes a big difference when you are talking about exponential growth like this and so exactly how fast things were done is kind of important.

 

[Hire Sather]

Here is the leadership that we need. They will just ignore Trump's tweet this morning, let the child believe what he wants. These governers are leading the way for our region. They will not open too soon!

 

[GordonGecko]

Acting even 10 days faster on certain things makes a big difference when you are talking about exponential growth like this and so exactly how fast things were done is kind of important.

Of course it makes a difference, but he's not an outlier globally by any means and people are using this as an opportunity to keep hammering Trump instead of finding a way to work together. The hatred & obsession towards Trump knows no bounds

 

[Fireonk]

Of course it makes a difference, but he's not an outlier globally by any means and people are using this as an opportunity to keep hammering Trump instead of finding a way to work together. The hatred & obsession towards Trump knows no bounds

No, he isn't an outlier and neither is the United States. We just happen to be on the bad end of the spectrum and there are obviously reasons for that. No one has said only Trump and only the United States didn't act fast enough.

 

[GordonGecko]

No, he isn't an outlier and neither is the United States. We just happen to be on the bad end of the spectrum and there are obviously reasons for that. No one has said only Trump and only the United States didn't act fast enough.

If there's a model for what should happen right now it's Cuomo. He's set aside all personal differences with Trump and has not attacked him at all. If there's a failure that needs correcting he just speaks of it in broad terms without pointing fingers, and by and large he has managed to get a lot of co-operating and things done that way

 

[Fireonk]

If there's a model for what should happen right now it's Cuomo. He's set aside all personal differences with Trump and has not attacked him at all. If there's a failure that needs correcting he just speaks of it in broad terms without pointing fingers, and by and large he has managed to get a lot of co-operating and things done that way

And if the world was watching me post on a hockey message board and I was responsible for re-opening one of the hardest hit places in the world I too would take a more politically correct tone.

 

[LORDE]

Bettman just on CNN saying the season being cancelled is def possibility at this point

 

[NYSPORTS]

Here is the leadership that we need. They will just ignore Trump's tweet this morning, let the child believe what he wants. These governers are leading the way for our region. They will not open too soon!

so what did you learn from these Governors? They repeated exactly what they have already been saying. We can’t have people gather in large groups, etc.

Nothing changed. They just don’t want confusion if the economy opens with these States in close proximity. In the meantime, there is really nothing to report nor is their any heightened leadership. We’re all just waiting.

Meanwhile, have learned multiple doc practices have been seeing patients in-office more regularly. Not certain when elective surgeries will open yet they are formulating the order.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Bettman just on CNN saying the season being cancelled is def possibility at this point

lol - SMH

 

[Good Intentions]

Bettman just on CNN saying the season being cancelled is def possibility at this point

Absolutely has to say that.

 

[GordonGecko]

lol - SMH

"Something just seems different this year, I can't quite put my finger on it"
- Gary

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Bettman just on CNN saying the season being cancelled is def possibility at this point

As unfortunate as it is, it's the right move. This season should be treated similar to a lockout year, with the added benefit of playing 90% of the regular season, as opposed to zero

The league needs to work towards coming up with a plan so next season can start unhindered. Whether that be playing with no fans, or something else, I don't know