OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part III

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The U.S. is a $21 trillion economy. I'm no fan but Trump is not going to let things skip a beat.
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To start making them now. Why didn’t he do this last week? Or the week before? Or better yet, in January or February? Why delay the inevitable and sacrifice badly needed time?
I agree, should've been done a few weeks ago but here's where we're at. Positive development nonetheless
 
I agree, should've been done a few weeks ago but here's where we're at. Positive development nonetheless
It’s too late for NYC now. There will be a shortage. I hope other cities can get extra equipment. Also have more respirators for the second wave that will come once social distancing is relaxed.
 
Just seems invoking the DPA is a nuclear option and what moves can be made following that. It's like ok, you've emptied your clip at it, and it is still coming, so what now?
 
Just seems invoking the DPA is a nuclear option and what moves can be made following that. It's like ok, you've emptied your clip at it, and it is still coming, so what now?
Think of ventilators and masks as ammo
And doctors and nurses as soldiers. DPA is giving them what they need to fight this virus.
 
It’s too late for NYC now. There will be a shortage. I hope other cities can get extra equipment. Also have more respirators for the second wave that will come once social distancing is relaxed.
I think you're being dramatic and that's not helpful. We know of at least 11,400 ventilators sitting in the NYS stockpile, if they haven't been distributed yet at some point today. We also know that the 1,000 bed temporary hospital in the Javits Center has been completed by FEMA, equipped with respirators at every bed. Not sure of the status for the other three emergency hospitals that were planned.
 
It's also basically what we did in 2008 when we bailed out the banks and other companies that were failing.

Extreme scenarios call for extreme solutions. If companies want to be based in America and be saved when crises occur with our taxpayer dollars, they are duty-bound to rise to the occasion when we call.

This is one of those situations. As was World War II.

It's hilarious to me that people are totally fine with their tax dollars going willy nilly to major corporations (many of which have been financially reckless with buybacks and the like instead of prepping for a rainy day), yet are totally against the government telling them what to do when absolutely necessary.

Every American citizen and every American company has a duty to perform to protect this country and its citizens. I am not what one would consider a patriotic or crazy rah rah American, but I absolutely believe this. And if you don't like this, either as a company or citizen, then GTFO.

The worst are these f***ing cruise companies, that have purposefully anchored their business offshore, in poor nations, that act as tax havens. Now they are calling for us to bail them out because those poor tax havens won't, yet they are not even American companies anymore and pay near $0 in taxes. Just f***ing despicable and they can all fail IMO.

I am in total agreement. Privatizing gains and socializing losses.

I get certain industries need money, okay let them take out a loan just like the rest of us have to do and pay a similar interest rate. If instead they want to give out equity in their company, fine.

In my opinion the worst is the airlines. They are already heavily subsidized, recorded big profits, they've taken and made stock buybacks, paid their execs obscene amounts, treated their customers like... well cattle with fees on top, and here they are with their hands out.

Does the airline industry need to function for the general economy, 100% yes, do those who treat their customers as such, then lose a bunch in stocks with their buyback deserve to get super low interest loans in this without giving up equity or by paying a rate the normal person would, 100% no in my opinion.

The only reason the banks have liquidity is because of laws that made them have it, maybe it's time for similar laws to be enacted for those industries who are deemed to big to fail?


I refrain from putting my opinions out about the virus, I hope the least worst case scenario happens, yet the response economically from government, on top of what the Fed is doing seems like fair game for me to criticize even if the timing may not be exactly appropriate. That goes for both sides of the aisle, where I wish there was a middle aisle.

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I think you're being dramatic and that's not helpful. We know of at least 11,400 ventilators sitting in the NYS stockpile, if they haven't been distributed yet at some point today. We also know that the 1,000 bed temporary hospital in the Javits Center has been completed by FEMA, equipped with respirators at every bed. Not sure of the status for the other three emergency hospitals that were planned.
i work in travel. Have many friends in Italy and Spain. They sbsolutely were overwhelmed by this and NYC is even more vulnerable due to population density. I really hope I am wrong. Many hospitals are already at or past capacity.

My friend is an ER doctor in the John Hopkins system. He is preparing for the worst as we all should. This will definitely get worse. Much worse. I would be delighted to be wrong.

And a 2nd wave is certainly possible. There is usually a double hump in infection curves.

China said they were basically done with the virus.

China has ordered all its movie theaters to close again after more than 600 had reopened
 
I’m not sure how this man wants to sell ventilators to other countries because Boris Johnson said “we need them” and can w a straight face say all of this while thousands of Americans ARE DYING without them right NOW!!!
 
Bottom line, and many outlets have reported this same number, is Cuomo needs at least 30,000 in the next few weeks.

Bottom line is reading would help answer the question in relation to the topic. Doesn’t answer how many were looking ventilators yet there were none which is part of the topic too. But thanks, we knew he needs ventilators. Wild guess, the nation will need more. You’re welcome
 

I don't disagree at a lot of what you have said but to be fair, this is regarding Jay Inslee and out of context IMO. There is a large portion of text that precedes this quote. Inslee has been an absolute f*** during this process and is much different than other governors who may have have staunch disagreements with Trump but are at least trying to work with the federal government.

If this was with Cuomo or something, I think it would have a lot more validity as there really isn't a person alive who can dispute how well Cuomo has handled this. The entire text is based off Inslee.
 
I don't live in NY anymore but I've thought that Cuomo should have put NY on lockdown 2 weeks ago. That picture would have been prevented from happening and things likely would be better. I just don't understand how he's not doing it when other Governors are.

Cuomo has to stop "whining" if he won't use that scalpel of lock down. He wants Trump to do more but he won't?
 
I don't disagree at a lot of what you have said but to be fair, this is regarding Jay Inslee and out of context IMO. There is a large portion of text that precedes this quote. Inslee has been an absolute f*** during this process and is much different than other governors who may have have staunch disagreements with Trump but are at least trying to work with the federal government.

If this was with Cuomo or something, I think it would have a lot more validity as there really isn't a person alive who can dispute how well Cuomo has handled this. The entire text is based off Inslee.

I don't think context really matters at all here.

Trump has f***ed this whole thing up royally from the beginning.
 
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I don't think context really matters at all here.

Trump has f***ed this whole thing up royally from the beginning.
Yeah. There's no denying that. But, here we are. A single day should not be wasted. Open up the hoses to full blast.
 
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