Post-Game Talk: Controversy, thy name is Bruins vs Jets; Jets win 5-4 in SO

[SensibleGuy]

I mean, I don't know what else I can say but "2 minutes of 5v3 is 0.7 goals, 2 minutes of 5v4 is 0.2 goals, 0.7 - 0.2 = 0.5" to suggest that we actually didn't hand them a whole goal.

The reason they upped the penalty for a failure was that it used to be a 1.00 versus 0.01 goal gamble.

Now, it's (on average) a 1.00 vs 0.25 goal gamble.

It's still very much in favor of the challenger.

And I don’t know what more I can say to suggest that sometimes it isn’t about mathematics.

 

[SensibleGuy]

They way the NHL calls any penalty or offside you can never be 100% confident in any challenge.

I think when some of us say “100%” we really mean something like “you need to be pretty damned sure and you also need to weigh the specifics of the situation and the circumstances at play.” In other words, you need to make a coaching decision. And some of us feel that the recent offside challenges have involved too much risk.

The math is great, but if you lose the challenge, you’ve both been scored on plus given the other team a further 20 to whatever...60% chance of scoring again.

 

[libertarian]

I get the guys from NW Ontario driving in a supporting the terrible Leafs but when you see Preds, Bruins, Flyers jerseys you know those wearing them are just tools not quite sharp enough to understand that the NHL is back in Winnipeg and the home team is called the Jets!

Hockey fans are allowed to cheer for whoever they want. I was born and raised in Ile-des-Chene but have lived in Edmonton for 37 years. I wear a Jets Jersey at oiler games and will always be a Jet fan even though I love living in Edmonton. Don't judge fans for wearing a jersey of another team in our home rink. Jet Jerseys are seen in every rinks in the league when the Jets play there. Should they not be allowed to do so?

 

[YWGinYYZ]

So Tanev one up Laine
By getting his hat trick with only 13:37 minutes of ice time.

Who knew that Tanev was 'leet.

 

[libertarian]

You gotta love a borderline role player in the NHL like Tanev get a hattrick. If I remember correctly he is the first bottom 6 player and deffinitly our first 4 line player to do so.

Good for you Tanev!

 

[Baywulf]

We all know Morrissey is not dirty or stupid. He didn't even try to hit Grzl... It was unintentional collision and Josh tried not to hurt the guy as much as he possibly could. Very quick series of events within tenths of a second with lots of speed.

 

[SUX2BU]

Had company over last night so couldn't watch the game in its entirety ..

Why in the world does the NHL update cameras on both the blue lines and around the nets ??

In an age where 4 K rules the day and we are using cameras from the silent motion pictures, is it any bother to update all cameras accordingly?

I mean if they can put a man on the moon and cure various diseases, surely camera technology shouldn't be that hard to figure out ...

And Maurice, when the team is on a 5 minute penalty kill, don't roll the dice unless it is obvious. The call was close but inconclusive, hence the need for better cameras, NHL .......

 

[Whileee]

Let me make no bones about it -- the Morrissey hit was horrific. Absolutely disgusting and something that hockey must purge from its ranks, yesterday if possible but today if we must.

But to suggest that Morrissey is a "dirty player"? To suggest that Jomo's history is even one metric ****ing iota as distained as Marchand's is?

Even this Devil's Advocate champion ain't gonna entertain an argument that intellectually bankrupt.

Looking at the hit again I think you're overstating how egregious it was. Opponent kind of stumbled as he turned and Morrissey looked like he kind of stumbled and hit him awkwardly.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Looking at the hit again I think you're overstating how egregious it was. Opponent kind of stumbled as he turned and Morrissey looked like he kind of stumbled and hit him awkwardly.

Yeah the hit isn’t actually as bad or as intentional as it looked at first. I mean it wasn’t a good hit, but it wasn’t attempted murder either lol...

 

[KingBogo]

If the call was not challenged, we'd have about a 76% chance of winning. If the challenge was successful, we'd have about a 92% chance of winning. If we were much closer to the end of the game, that's one thing. Being up 2 is barely much better than being up 1 with (say) 2 minutes left. With 18.5 minutes left, that 2nd goal still has a lot of value. And the cost of failure isn't a whole goal against -- it just looks like it because they scored on the 5v3.

Maintaining a 3-1 lead is about +16% to win rate. Getting that goal scored against us to tie the game was only about -26% win rate. But combined with the fact that the "win" of a challenge is a goal off the board and the cost of a challenge is only about 0.5 goals against even in this EXTREME circumstance (normally it's only about 0.2 goals against), 50/50 still makes it a correct call, just going by percentages.

Now, again, you think it's not a 50/50 call? That's another thing. Estimating that percent is a skill I want our video crew to get better at. But if you, the video guy, tell me that in your judgment it's 50/50 to get overturned? Even in that spot I challenge every time. I trust your judgment. Your my teammate, right? Even though we're both 'suits' we're still both on teammates, and teammates need to trust each other

This is pretty interesting stuff. It is easy to complain when things don't turn out, but in the moment you have to make a split second decision and I appreciate the breakdown of the odds.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Had company over last night so couldn't watch the game in its entirety ..

Why in the world does the NHL update cameras on both the blue lines and around the nets ??

In an age where 4 K rules the day and we are using cameras from the silent motion pictures, is it any bother to update all cameras accordingly?

I mean if they can put a man on the moon and cure various diseases, surely camera technology shouldn't be that hard to figure out ...

And Maurice, when the team is on a 5 minute penalty kill, don't roll the dice unless it is obvious. The call was close but inconclusive, hence the need for better cameras, NHL .......

Well, according to Jim Toth, the cost of all that camera tech is prohibitive! Lol. I bought a high def wifi security camera for my apartment that provides image quality better than the replays they seem to have in the nhl from Amazon for 48 bucks!

 

[SensibleGuy]

This is pretty interesting stuff. It is easy to complain when things don't turn out, but in the moment you have to make a split second decision and I appreciate the breakdown of the odds.

Yeah but it’s not really a split second decision. There was actually a fair amount of time before the challenge was made. Initially when mo challenged I assumed they must have seen a replay that gave a pretty clear view of the puck being outside the line but I kept waiting for them to show that view and it just wasn’t there. The one view that you can see the puck near the line was really not very clear at all and again, since the evidence needs to be pretty clear for them to overturn a goal...I just think in that situation they really took too much of a chance

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah but it’s not really a split second decision. There was actually a fair amount of time before the challenge was made. Initially when mo challenged I assumed they must have seen a replay that gave a pretty clear view of the puck being outside the line but I kept waiting for them to show that view and it just wasn’t there. The one view that you can see the puck near the line was really not very clear at all and again, since the evidence needs to be pretty clear for them to overturn a goal...I just think in that situation they really took too much of a chance

In Mo's position he has to trust others have seen it clearer than he possible could have on the bench. No doubt the organization, all teams in fact would have broken down the numbers similar to what AlphaLackey has done as their guiding principles. I have more of a problem with being more conservative in the playoffs. I'd like to hear more rational why that should change your decision making.

 

[ps241]

With Enstrom and Trouba not currently ready to play, the Jets might have to call someone up if Morrissey gets suspended.

Niku time?

Unless they feel he isn’t ready might it not make sense? Personally I would like to get that look in case we run into real injury challenges in the playoffs.

 

[Tommigun]

I've heard Boston is a great city from European perspective. Don't know if it's true, but I've ticked it as one of the places to visit.

I've heard of Boston Cake, but this sounds more delicious. Have to try it some time, honestly.

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Boston is really nice, it's probably my favourite city on the east coast!

 

[SensibleGuy]

In Mo's position he has to trust others have seen it clearer than he possible could have on the bench. No doubt the organization, all teams in fact would have broken down the numbers similar to what AlphaLackey has done as their guiding principles. I have more of a problem with being more conservative in the playoffs. I'd like to hear more rational why that should change your decision making.

Well, I don’t have a hard time understanding why a coach might conceivably be a little more willing to “take a flyer” in a game that really doesn’t matter than in a playoff situation...

 

[Tommigun]

They’re actually *****ing about the refs over there. That and saying their team is trash and the Jets are overrated. The typical crap that you hear after losses.

The refs were pretty good imho, Jets deserved everything they got. But what were the Bruins fans complaining about? They got a huge amount of PP time. The first goal that was inconclusive? Well I kinda understand that, the call on the ice was probably wrong.

 

[Tommigun]

This is pretty funny in case it was not posted already: Brad Marchand suspended 10 games for Josh Morrissey’s hit on Matt Grzelcyk

"This is an example of instigation. Marchand’s mere presence on the ice enrages Morrissey to a degree high enough to where he needs to take out his frustration on Matt Grzelcyk’s head. Because Brad Marchand is a repeat offender, special consideration is taken into account when giving supplemental discipline. As a result, the Department of Player Safety has suspended Brad Marchand for 10 games [...]"

 

[Jets 31]

Guys i'm ok with what Morrissey did , i was pissed when i saw Scheif go down and i'm just a fan not a player on the Jets . Morrissey was really pissed and was going to hammer any Bruin that was next on the puck . If the Bruin player doesn't duck and stands up the hit is hard but not dirty . Scheif just DON'T GO IN THAT CORNER OF THE MTS ICE ANYMORE , IT'S NOT SAFE !!Pretty sure that's the corner he got hurt in last time . I will say this though , if anyone in the NHL was thinking Morrissey is a soft player , he gave notice last night and don't hurt our best players .

 

[Tommigun]

Guys i'm ok with what Morrissey did , i was pissed when i saw Scheif go down and i'm just a fan not a player on the Jets . Morrissey was really pissed and was going to hammer any Bruin that was next on the puck .

But with that reasoning any opposing team should be allowed to retaliate on Scheifele or Laine because of a clean hit by Lowry or Buff? Would you really be ok with that? Totally unnecessary injuries galore.

 

[Jets2point0]

Another quick take...hated Laine’s play at the end of his shift in OT where he coughed up possession trying to drive into their zone.

I think he’s goal hungry to catch Ovi. It wasn’t a smart play.

I initially thought the same thing, however I feel like our leading goal scorer and generational talent should be extended some leeway for creativity with scoring, even if it means a potential costly turnover. Ideally that would be limited and circumstantial but its hard to blame him for that

 

[Jets 31]

Well, according to Jim Toth, the cost of all that camera tech is prohibitive! Lol. I bought a high def wifi security camera for my apartment that provides image quality better than the replays they seem to have in the nhl from Amazon for 48 bucks!

Toth is a numb nut , it's the NHL not the CFL , the NHL has money to do this . They will do something when something like this happens to the Leafs in the playoffs .

 

[10Ducky10]

We win a game against one of the best teams in the league and people complain about a challenge?
Good grief Charlie Brown.

 

[Ducky10]

Morrissey left his feet. It is this that will probably get him a game or two suspension.

Yeah, that's how i saw it. The fact he left his feet is what turned it from a bad hit to a terrible hit.

 

[Guffman]

I initially thought the same thing, however I feel like our leading goal scorer and generational talent should be extended some leeway for creativity with scoring, even if it means a potential costly turnover. Ideally that would be limited and circumstantial but its hard to blame him for that

No, it had little upside and giving up possession in 3 v 3 is very unwise unless you have a very good scoring opportunity.

It’s a lesson that the Jets have finally figured out but Laine wasn’t on the same page on that play.