Value of: Connor Murphy or Michael Stone To Edmonton

[DomiToDuclair]

I would trade Stone and a small plus for Larsson and that's about it.

We have zero need for any of the forwards on Edmonton (bar McDavid of course) and we're perfectly comfortable keeping Stone as is right now while we groom Chychrun to replace him.

In regards to Murphy he's our only real RHD we can pair with OEL comfortably at the moment and we would need a RHD back to replace him. Given his age and contract I would rather keep him right now, it would take an overpayment for us to move him.

 

[Seedling]

Really?

I would trade Stone for Davidson and your 1st.

I wouldn't.

 

[cobra427]

Thanks. I would prefer holding onto RNH and that is why I didn't list him as one of the assets in the OP. Any idea what Murphy and Stone's contract demands are ballpark wise?

Not sure on the demands but the ball park guess is 3-4.5 mill, 2 years+ for each. It doesn't really matter though, both are RFA's and have little in the way of rights. They will both sign eventually. Stone is coming off a knee injury, ACL tear, and another ligament damaged. I don't think Stone could be traded for anything of value until he plays and proves he can recover from that injury.

Having said all that, Stone and Murphy are both second pairing RHD's. Murphy was on the top line because he is a better fit with OEL then Stone. The Coyotes biggest need right now is a top pairing RHD. If a top pairing RHD was acquired, that would be the only way Stone or Murphy could be traded. So, Stone or Murphy would have to be part of a package for a better RHD. The Oilers are not good trade partners for this reason, they need similar upgrades on D.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

Thanks. IF Arizona traded Stone would Murphy be a capable PP fill in? If not would DeAngelo be the only other RHD that could fill that role in the near future in the org?



I don't think so unless Arizona views Yak very favorably. I am a big Reinhart fan actually but he hasn't proven enough to have that trade make sense for Arizona IMO.

I personally don't think Murphy is ideal for the PP but he'd certainly get by. Stone is better in that area and we don't yet know if ADA is ready for NHL work yet so I wouldn't pencil him in at all until we see some consistent games under his belt.

It's really too bad that there isn't a deal we could make where Yakupov could be a toss in. I'd like to see what he could do in a change of scenery but it hurts Edmonton in every way keepimg him if he is considered a 100% bust. It's in Edmonton best interest to give him 1 more year of work before taking a low pick for him, which unfortunately is all he'd receive. That's even if a team is willing to take a chance that a player making 3+ million could bounce back. Very unfortunate situation for Edmonton fans.

I know little about Reinhart, again though, given what was paid for him, tough to sell him now when you still don't know his true worth.

 

[rockinghockey]

Neither of those guys is worth EDM 1st

 

[McArthur]

I personally don't think Murphy is ideal for the PP but he'd certainly get by. Stone is better in that area and we don't yet know if ADA is ready for NHL work yet so I wouldn't pencil him in at all until we see some consistent games under his belt.

It's really too bad that there isn't a deal we could make where Yakupov could be a toss in. I'd like to see what he could do in a change of scenery but it hurts Edmonton in every way keepimg him if he is considered a 100% bust. It's in Edmonton best interest to give him 1 more year of work before taking a low pick for him, which unfortunately is all he'd receive. That's even if a team is willing to take a chance that a player making 3+ million could bounce back. Very unfortunate situation for Edmonton fans.

I know little about Reinhart, again though, given what was paid for him, tough to sell him now when you still don't know his true worth.

No rush in E-town to find out either. But i'd still really like to see Murphy in an Oiler jersey. I'd be happy with an overpayment in the form of draft picks too. If Yak goes, we fill one hole and create another one. We can afford to hold on to him a little longer, its not like his stock can get any worse.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Not sure on the demands but the ball park guess is 3-4.5 mill, 2 years+ for each. It doesn't really matter though, both are RFA's and have little in the way of rights. They will both sign eventually. Stone is coming off a knee injury, ACL tear, and another ligament damaged. I don't think Stone could be traded for anything of value until he plays and proves he can recover from that injury.

Having said all that, Stone and Murphy are both second pairing RHD's. Murphy was on the top line because he is a better fit with OEL then Stone. The Coyotes biggest need right now is a top pairing RHD. If a top pairing RHD was acquired, that would be the only way Stone or Murphy could be traded. So, Stone or Murphy would have to be part of a package for a better RHD. The Oilers are not good trade partners for this reason, they need similar upgrades on D.

Thanks. We really only have 1 RHD worth a damn on our club right now IMO. Fayne is an overpaid soft defensive defenseman that would be best suited for a 3rd pairing but he may start out as our 2nd pairing RHD.

I personally don't think Murphy is ideal for the PP but he'd certainly get by. Stone is better in that area and we don't yet know if ADA is ready for NHL work yet so I wouldn't pencil him in at all until we see some consistent games under his belt.

It's really too bad that there isn't a deal we could make where Yakupov could be a toss in. I'd like to see what he could do in a change of scenery but it hurts Edmonton in every way keepimg him if he is considered a 100% bust. It's in Edmonton best interest to give him 1 more year of work before taking a low pick for him, which unfortunately is all he'd receive. That's even if a team is willing to take a chance that a player making 3+ million could bounce back. Very unfortunate situation for Edmonton fans.

I know little about Reinhart, again though, given what was paid for him, tough to sell him now when you still don't know his true worth.

Murphy was a nasty piece of business to the Oilers last season and I'd love to have a RHD that can pay that game in the top 4 if we can't land a high end offensive defenseman to play in our top 4. I just wasn't sure of his offensive capabilities. Definitely seemed like a keeper to me.

Yak is an interesting and frustrating case however even if he completely busts we got McDavid so don't cry for me Argentina

Reinhart is a very smart defenseman with good size and positioning. Better offensive tools than he's given credit for as well. If he can improve his explosiveness and wrist shot a bit he could be a dandy player for us and IMO worth the price that we paid for him.

Neither of those guys is worth EDM 1st

Seriously? A solid 2nd pairing RHD that's still young signed long term and a shot at the playoffs isn't worth a first? Unless next years draft is neck deep in high quality RHD I'd be more than happy to offer up our 1st + to solidify our defense.

 

[THall4]

Really?

I would trade Stone for Davidson and your 1st.

Lol

Davidson + 1st is way too much for Stone. But the original poster you were replying to set himself for that one

 

[THall4]

They have a solid young D already and added Chychrun at the draft. Not sure of their prospects on D beyond him, but who do they have up front outside of Strome and Dvorak coming up in terms of forward prospects?

OEL-Stone
Goligoski-Murphy

That's a solid top 4 already IMO.

Keller, Merkley, Perlini, Samuelsson are some of their better FWD prospects.

 

[howkie]

Keller, Merkley, Perlini, Samuelsson are some of their better FWD prospects.

Dont forget Fischer, he need more love

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Lol

Davidson + 1st is way too much for Stone. But the original poster you were replying to set himself for that one

We move out Davidson and still have Reinhart or Nurse to fill in on the 3rd pairing.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Stone
Reinhart-Fayne

That would be a solid top 4 and we likely make the postseason barring major injuries to our top pairing, Talbot or McDavid.

Keller, Merkley, Perlini, Samuelsson are some of their better FWD prospects.

No idea how the first 3 have been projecting since being drafted but Samuelsson has to be considered more suspect than prospect at this point I'd assume?

 

[Kaibur]

No idea how the first 3 have been projecting since being drafted but Samuelsson has to be considered more suspect than prospect at this point I'd assume?

Had a great rookie season in the AHL 2 years ago. Suffered a pretty major ankle injury early last season, but miraculously came back to play in some games late in the season. I think he's a dark horse, particularly because he's right handed. I wouldn't be surprised to see Samuelsson and White split time at 4RW to open the season.

 

[Jormungandr]

Ryan MacInnis is another one.

 

[Heldig]

Lol

Davidson + 1st is way too much for Stone. But the original poster you were replying to set himself for that one

Agreed.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

The thing people have to realize is Murphy>>Stone. They keep grouping them together as if they had equal value. Stone I could see being moved for the right deal but it is highly unlikely Murphy is wearing anything but a yotes jersey next year.

 

[Daffy]

Eberle for stone + dvorak

Lol.

Eberle has negative value. Unless you're taking back an equally bad contract, he's not getting you anything in return.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The thing people have to realize is Murphy>>Stone. They keep grouping them together as if they had equal value. Stone I could see being moved for the right deal but it is highly unlikely Murphy is wearing anything but a yotes jersey next year.

Fair enough, if I knew that Murphy had a PP component to his game he'd be by far the player that I'd want on my team of the two due to his physical play.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

The thing people have to realize is Murphy>>Stone. They keep grouping them together as if they had equal value. Stone I could see being moved for the right deal but it is highly unlikely Murphy is wearing anything but a yotes jersey next year.

Yeah I see Murphy as a long term Coyote. Could be OELs partner for the majority of his career.

And with Stone I don't see him being moved soon with his injury. Likely wouldn't get a good return for him until he comes back and shows that the injury isn't going to affect his play.

 

[rt]

Schenn was a Michalek replacement and had nothing to do with Murphy or Stone. Neither is available outside of a package deal for a clear upgrade on a RHS D.

 

[rt]

Neither of those guys is worth EDM 1st

Yep that recipe has tasted so good so far. Accumulate top picks, Rush them to the NHL, give them no support, let them get kicked around by every team in the league 82 games a year, learn all about what it takes to lose and watch them never reach expectations. I'm sure that Nolan Patrick is really looking forward to this.