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Value of: Connor Murphy 50% retained

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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I wouldn't pay quite as much for him as they did for McCabe because McCabe had more term when he was acquired than Murphy does, and also McCabe came with a depth forward.

Plus even with 50% retention Murphy is still 200K more expensive then McCabe so to me he's not worth quite as much.

That said I'd still have a future 1st on the table.

I think adding Murphy would really solidify the Leafs defense.

I mean Tanev and OEL have already but if they could add a guy That could bump OEL to the 3rd pair the defense is set.

If they could get double retention THEN I would pay just as much as they did for McCabe
 

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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I wouldn't pay quite as much for him as they did for McCabe because McCabe had more term when he was acquired than Murphy does, and also McCabe came with a depth forward.

Plus even with 50% retention Murphy is still 200K more expensive then McCabe so to me he's not worth quite as much.

That said I'd still have a future 1st on the table.

I think adding Murphy would really solidify the Leafs defense.

I mean Tanev and OEL have already but if they could add a guy That could bump OEL to the 3rd pair the defense is set.

If they could get double retention THEN I would pay just as much as they did for McCabe
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Hey it's not like the Blackhawks have a shortage of depth forwards they could attach.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I wouldn't pay quite as much for him as they did for McCabe because McCabe had more term when he was acquired than Murphy does, and also McCabe came with a depth forward.

Plus even with 50% retention Murphy is still 200K more expensive then McCabe so to me he's not worth quite as much.

That said I'd still have a future 1st on the table.

I think adding Murphy would really solidify the Leafs defense.

I mean Tanev and OEL have already but if they could add a guy That could bump OEL to the 3rd pair the defense is set.

If they could get double retention THEN I would pay just as much as they did for McCabe
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I don’t disagree on value. Basically McCabe at 50% cost you a 1st … “plus”. Lafferty at that point was maybe worth a late 3rd or 4th. The Leafs paid a 1st and 2nd for McC and Laff and a couple of late picks.
I see similar for Murphy and xxx.
When your building and have multiple higher picks those late picks have limited value. While a contender can use them hunting for tweeners or to use in other deals.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I wouldn't pay quite as much for him as they did for McCabe because McCabe had more term when he was acquired than Murphy does, and also McCabe came with a depth forward.

Plus even with 50% retention Murphy is still 200K more expensive then McCabe so to me he's not worth quite as much.

That said I'd still have a future 1st on the table.

I think adding Murphy would really solidify the Leafs defense.

I mean Tanev and OEL have already but if they could add a guy That could bump OEL to the 3rd pair the defense is set.

If they could get double retention THEN I would pay just as much as they did for McCabe
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Murphy also adds value as a leader. He's not wearing the "A" as some token nomination. He's always ready to be in a scrum after the whistle or drop the gloves to hold the other team accountable for any nonsense, yet he knows the line that the refs have and doesn't take his aggressions too far by getting a dumb penalty in a post-whistle skirmish.
 
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2026 1st without retain
 
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I'd say the McCabe trade is definitely the sort of "baseline" for a Murphy trade. McCabe was better and had more left on his cheap retained deal. But Murphy being a RH shot is probably worth a little extra to some teams.


I'd imagine it's just a "futures" deal though. Possibly there's a cap offset going the other way, also just to fill out Chicago's roster in the meantime. And in that sense...a 1st seems the likely ask, and probably gets it given the dearth of quality defencemen on the market this year. More likely a pick than a prospect.

Probably major overpayment for what amounts to more of a #4/5 Tweener on a good day...but that's deadline prices. :dunno:
 
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Space umpire said:
Without retention correct?
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Hawks can retain, the McCabe retention spot ends after this year. Hawks would (should) retain to get better value back. They aren't $2 million away from something this offseason and would struggle to fill it even if it were there.
 
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Hawks absolutely should retain, and arrange double retention. With double retention, there is not a team in the league that would not be able to fit Murphy under the cap. And the return is all about the cap. Playoff contenders and aspiring to be will be bidding it up. With double retention, would not be surprised to see TWO 1st rounders going back to Chicago.

Edmonton has to be one of the teams most desperate for top 4 RHD, and there is familiarity there. Will likely be willing to part with most assets, so very possibly that's where he ends up.
 
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Davidson appears to like making multiple picks in 1st round

2022 = 3 picks in 1st (Korchinski, Nazar and Rinzel)
2023 = 2 picks in 1st (Bedard and Moore)
2024 = 3 picks in 1st (Levshunov, Boisvert and Vanacker)

At both 2022 and 2024 drafts Davidson made trades to get back into 1st round (Taking Mrazek to flip picks with Leafs in 2022 and last year trading #34 + #50 to Canes)

In 2023 Davidson unsuccessfully was trying to trade back into 1st round from what I recall

Hawks are slated to have draft in this coming draft twice

Hawks 1st
Leafs 1st (Top 10 protected)

So, my expectation is Hawks look to acquire either another 2025 1st or 2026 1st for Murphy at 50%

Without retention maybe Hawks if they find interested partner with cap room try to package Murphy + 2nd for a 1st (Basically use Murphy to upgrade pick)

Dont really see Davidson looking for a 2nd straight up for Murphy because Hawks currently have a boatload of 2nd's coming up

Hawks 2025 2nd
Stars 2025 2nd
Hawks 2026 2nd
Islanders 2026 2nd
Leafs 2026 2nd
Hawks 2027 2nd
Canucks 2027 2nd
 
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What would you guys want for Murphy at 50% retained and Mrazek? Skinner would be going back for cap purposes.
 
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