Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

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edog37

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Your posts are so riddled with fake history, glaring bias and a complete lack of statistical facts that I forgot to whip out my dictionary before I responded. The penguins beat the capitals. Overall individually Ovechkin was better than Crosby in their meetings in the playoffs.


About Gretzky over Lemieux? No case for Mario at all at any point. Orr is debatable and not flat out wrong. If anything Lemieux is commonly rated 4th on all time lists and on the one this site compiled.
Again, wrong. It’s about leadership & did you not notice that “C” on the jersey.

Regarding Lemieux…. Do you really think if you switched Gretzky putting him on the Pens, that he would’ve had the same impact. If you do, you’re flat out lying.
 

WalterLundy

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Again, wrong. It’s about leadership & did you not notice that “C” on the jersey.

Regarding Lemieux…. Do you really think if you switched Gretzky putting him on the Pens, that he would’ve had the same impact. If you do, you’re flat out lying.
He wouldn’t have had the same impact. It would have been greater than any penguin. If you switched Gretzky on to the penguins you wouldn’t be talking about Lemieux and Crosby as you do currently. Not just because of no affiliation with those players anymore. You would be raving about him as the greatest player and Penguin of all time and you would be justified in doing so.
 
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edog37

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He wouldn’t have had the same impact. It would have been greater than any penguin. If you switched Gretzky on to the penguins you wouldn’t be talking about Lemieux and Crosby as you do currently. Not just because of no affiliation with those players anymore. You would be raving about him as the greatest player and Penguin of all time and you would be justified in doing so.

That’s just fundamentally false. Lemieux wasn’t protected & sheltered like Gretzky. And he certainly wouldn’t have put up the same numbers either. Not with those slugs had back then. So you are way off on this.
 

WalterLundy

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That’s just fundamentally false. Lemieux wasn’t protected & sheltered like Gretzky. And he certainly wouldn’t have put up the same numbers either. Not with those slugs had back then. So you are way off on this.
The protection has been discussed and dissected on these boards for a long time. You mean the 164 points (a then record) on a second year expansion team in 1981 in which the next closest teammate had 75 points? Those numbers? Nobody scored more than their respective teammates than that. Gretzky in the second half of the sophomore season being discussed had 107 points in his final 44 games. That’s essentially a 200 point/82 game pace (194 in 80 back then) and as a 20 year old. The next closest player on his team during the span was Brett Callighen. Great player……Gretzky would have put up insane seasons anywhere. He was much better faster than Lemieux was. It took him longer to reach a high level relatively.
 

Albatros

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Hull won a single SC before leaving for the WHA after his age 33 season so it's extremely unlikely that he would have won another had he stayed in the NHL.
Though the Hawks made the cup finals the very next year and took it to six games. Not unthinkable that with Hull they would have been stronger still.
 

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