Connor McDavid vs Jack Hughes
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Lmao dumb devils fans think Hughes good even sniff McDavid jock lol such stupid homers lol stupid dummies Hughes is so overrated now lol dumb jersey fans lol new jersey
there in a very good 
season 
Phil Kessels Hot Dog
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Mathews, Makar, Eichel, Hughes... I'm looking forward to seeing who will be better than McDavid next month .
Clam Jensen
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Bedard, obviously. The brain trust at HFBoards already chose him over Hughes before the season started.
the fun part is the smart people here can't even understand the question in the op.
the question is not about which player is better. it is about which player you prefer at their current contracts. mcdavid for 3 years at 12.5m or hughes for 7 years at 8m. age, aav and term favor hughes and for some of us it offsets the difference in current play.
as a devils fan i see the best chances for new jersey to win a cup in the later years of the hughes' contract, when mcdavid is no longer signed or a potential extension would come at an even higher aav.
edog37
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Considering Hughes just won a Cup while McMuffin still hasn’t won jack, it’s a pretty easy call.
KaosKommando
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I don't know but I voted Jacku Hughus. Just by doing what he does now. He's put himself at the level of Pasta, Reinhart, Turbo and Austin. He has surely put himself in the Art competition. Along with that other Oiler. Frank Vatrano will win that goal price. Also Quick might win his "second" Vezina. The game is close. We just have to wait a few more minutes.
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ninetyeight
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I do appreciate a rangers fan trying to rile up everyone against the devils. When talking shit about their players no longer works, you can always try to over hype them and hope for a backlash from other fan bases.
But if we're being serious about the poll, cap space is way overrated in hfb. Cap space itself is nothing, it could even be a negative value anchor contract. For anyone to even consider anyone else than McD, it would have to be 2 absolute steal contracts like the old MacKinnon 6,5m or whatever that was.
But if we're being serious about the poll, cap space is way overrated in hfb. Cap space itself is nothing, it could even be a negative value anchor contract. For anyone to even consider anyone else than McD, it would have to be 2 absolute steal contracts like the old MacKinnon 6,5m or whatever that was.
Clam Jensen
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Yea it’s a pretty embarrassing look TBH. Rent free baby.
You were also arguing ~5 years ago that Gaudreau was a more valuable asset than Crosby and had an argument for #2 in league after McDavid. This was around 2018 or so.
You don't exactly have a strong track record in determining asset value of players you're bias towards.
McDavid is a more valuable asset than Hughes today.
Hughes is also a lot more likely to score under 120 points than he is to score over 130 points this season.
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You mean the same Gaudreau who had two top 4 Hart finishes in a 4 year stretch, including arguably the best ES season in 30+ years, while making only $6.75M a year? We've seen what's happened to Calgary without him. So yeah I'd say he was pretty valuable in that stretch.
I'll take 7 years of an elite franchise center like Hughes over 3 years of a generational player like McDavid. Even if they were the same AAV, it would be hard to not take Hughes when you factor in age and years of control.
I know some people like to scoff at the idea of years of control, but there is a very real risk that McDavid opts to not re-sign in Edmonton. And even if he does, he's probably gonna demand a $15M+ AAV, with his best years likely behind him.
Hughes will be making 8M a year for the next 7 years, while McDavid would be making:
Yr 1 12.5M
Yr 2 12.5M
Yr 3 12.5M
Yr 4 15M
Yr 5 15M
Yr 6 15M
Yr 7 15M
With him turning 30 halfway into the 4th year. Meanwhile Hughes will be in his 20s throughout this period.
In your opinion.
1. You tend to overrate/overvalue players you like by a lot. Gaudreau is a really good player, but at absolutely no point was he the 2nd most valuable asset in the league. You were being way too optimistic in your projections for him, as you are with Hughes today (130 points being more likely than 120). Not sure what 2 4th place hart finishes have to do with it - Gaudreau isn't even top 10 (nor close) in league for performances over past ~5-6 years. Really good player - not as good as you predicted.
2. McDavid is the more valuable asset today. But with how great Hughes looks and him being younger - i get where you're coming from. People were making similar arguments with Mack vs McDavid a few years ago for cap hit.
I disagree - I say McDavid > Hughes for asset value, and im very confident if you poll gms around the league that is the largely prevalent opinion. But - i understand where you're coming from, and acknowledge its not a unanimous opinion.
Unlike Gaudreau a few years ago - Hughes actually has an argument today for 2nd most valuable asset in league (he isn't for me, i rank all of mcdavid, bedard and Makar ahead at least).
3. Yes - in my opinion. Odds are more than just opinion, they're based on looking at likelihoods of something occurings.
In your opinion Hughes will hit 130 points (i think?). In my opinion - he won't. Those are opinions.
Calculating the likelihood of something occuring isn't just an opinion. But if we start talking about that, we're going into semantics which I dont want to do.
Bottom line - its a lot more likely Hughes falls short of 120 points than it is that he surpasses 130. And i guarantee you the large majority of people will agree with that assessment.
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I think Hughes ends up around 125-130 points if he stays healthy and plays a full 82 games.
Let's talk about probabilities - he only needs 102 points in his last 74 games to hit 120, which is roughly the pace he produced at last year while healthy. He's visibly quicker and stronger this year (not surprising, considering he's only 22 and matured late), so what's more likely? That he regresses from his 21yr old "healthy" scoring pace, or that he improves on it? I think it's more likely that he improves on his 21 yr old "healthy" scoring clip. His early underlying numbers also suggest he's very likely to improve on last year's production, as his all situations xG/60 is up to 5.57 from 4.64 last year.
Machinehead
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No, he's probably serious. I've seen worse.
Plus, he lives in Canada so he probably hates the Oilers more, as one does.
filinski77
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Not providing a firm opinion, but:
Let's not forget that Hughes is a 1st overall superstar who is only 22... he's still getting better, whereas it's statistically most likely that McDavid has peaked (how far off from his peak he will be in the future is completely unknown).
Is it possible that Hughes is relatively close to McDavid this year? 115-120 points vs. 135? I'd say yes, At that point, a 50% difference in cap space is pretty staggering.
In 3 years from now, Hughes could be the best player in the league at 25 years old, and McDavid is 30 years old making DOUBLE what Hughes is.
McDavid is without a doubt better TODAY (and has been the last few years), but I think a lot of people are:
A) Underselling how good Hughes has turned out, and how much further his potential reaches
B) How fantastic that 8.0 mil contract is, especially when the cap is increasing and McDavid will no doubt be making double that by renewal...
| Hughes Age | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 |
| Hughes AAV | 8.0 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 8.0 | 18.0? | 18.0? | 18.0? |
| McDavid Age | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 |
| McDavid AAV | 12.5 | 12.5 | 12.5 | 16.0? | 16.0? | 16.0? | 16.0? | 16.0? | 16.0? | 16.0? |
Let's not forget that Hughes is a 1st overall superstar who is only 22... he's still getting better, whereas it's statistically most likely that McDavid has peaked (how far off from his peak he will be in the future is completely unknown).
Is it possible that Hughes is relatively close to McDavid this year? 115-120 points vs. 135? I'd say yes, At that point, a 50% difference in cap space is pretty staggering.
In 3 years from now, Hughes could be the best player in the league at 25 years old, and McDavid is 30 years old making DOUBLE what Hughes is.
McDavid is without a doubt better TODAY (and has been the last few years), but I think a lot of people are:
A) Underselling how good Hughes has turned out, and how much further his potential reaches
B) How fantastic that 8.0 mil contract is, especially when the cap is increasing and McDavid will no doubt be making double that by renewal...
Today actual value in a trade wise McDavid no question just because of what hes done and can do. I don't see any team giving more for Hughes than McDavid obviously
That being said I think more teams than less can probably benefit more from trading for Hughes and his contract rather than McDavid along with his contract.
That being said I think more teams than less can probably benefit more from trading for Hughes and his contract rather than McDavid along with his contract.
People are selling Hughes short here. That 125-30 point range predicted for him is what I think he’ll score after tempering my expectations a bit. I think in a fully actual healthy season he could surpass 130 but I already think he’s taken a few good hits early where he looked noticeably worse the following few games
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