Connor Bedard Vs. Macklin Celebrini

[Hockeyville USA]

Celebrini. Better all around. Bedard would have to get faster and/or find a way to get that shot off quicker in order to reach his goal scoring ceiling.

 

[hohosaregood]

i think where bedard's been struggling is that his shooting isn't actually that deceptive right now. he's incredibly skilled but his wrister is more about beating goalie by placement and quickness but kind of textbook.

 

[Crow]

I think his wrister is perfectly fine but he is unable to create space to get it off by skating the puck and no one on the team ever sets the guy up with shit. I’d kill to have a player that is playing like granlund, walman or eklund on the hawks. Having 3 guys playing that well would blow my mind right now after watching this dumpster fire. San Jose has 25% more goals right now (hawks would have to increase their production 33% to match) with 6 players playing roughly at Bedards production level.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

I think his wrister is perfectly fine but he is unable to create space to get it off by skating the puck and no one on the team ever sets the guy up with shit. I’d kill to have a player that is playing like granlund, walman or eklund on the hawks. Having 3 guys playing that well would blow my mind right now after watching this dumpster fire. San Jose has 25% more goals right now (hawks would have to increase their production 33% to match) with 6 players playing roughly at Bedards production level.

Bedard’s 2 most common defense teammates at 5v5 are Alex Vlasic and Seth Jones. It would blow my mind to have those two instead of Cody Ceci and Mario Ferraro, who are Celebrini’s most common defense teammates. So it cuts both ways, although I agree Celebrini has better support in general.

 

[Crow]

Bedard’s 2 most common defense teammates at 5v5 are Alex Vlasic and Seth Jones. It would blow my mind to have those two instead of Cody Ceci and Mario Ferraro, who are Celebrini’s most common defense teammates. So it cuts both ways, although I agree Celebrini has better support in general.

Both of those guys are good all around players and Alex is an excellent defender but neither one bring much offensively. Neither are capable PP1 QBs. They do put up half decent numbers due to having no one else but you are kidding yourself if you think they are helping Bedards production. Jones is actively hurting it. I’m hoping vlasic continues to progress offensively.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Both of those guys are good all around players and Alex is an excellent defender but neither one bring much offensively. Neither are capable PP1 QBs. They do put up half decent numbers due to having no one else but you are kidding yourself if you think they are helping Bedards production. Jones is actively hurting it. I’m hoping vlasic continues to progress offensively.

They don’t need to be legit PP1 QBs to help a lot more than Ceci and Ferraro. They’re able to play against top competition and hold their own both offensively and defensively. That’s a lot more than can be said for the Sharks pair who harm Celebrini’s production by getting caved in and failing to get the puck out or support the cycle when in the offensive zone.

 

[elmaco]

 

[Metroid]

Funny story, early this year just to see if I could get my buddy who's stubborn to budge on a Bedard trade in a keeper leauge.. I offered him Makar, Marner, Otteinger, and my first... And he declined

He's currently 1-7
I'm 5-3
(Ironically his only win came vs me last week but we both had the top two pts that week and I lost by 0.4pts so it was a fluke win) Funny shit tho.

 

[Stive Morgan]

I could see Bedard being "better" but Celebrini having the better career due to having a better team around him. (not that I think Chicago won't have a good team too)

 

[Mattb124]

Bedard leads his team in scoring and he has no help. He has 4 more points than the next player on his team and only two other players have more than 10 points.

Celebrini missed some games so he’s 6th on his team in total scoring, but even by ppg he’s not leading the team . There’s 7 other players on the Sharks with more than 10 points.

Bedard is the more talented of the two and more likely be a star, although Celebrini is very much making his own case as well.

That analysis is really skewed in favor of Bedard. Celebrini is an 18-year-old coming off injury - which caused him to miss 12 games, almost half the season to date - who is still adapting to the best hockey league in the world. Despite the headwinds he is playing at an almost ppg clip (0.94) and making contributions in all 3 zones on what was the worst team in the league last year. That is damned impressive and more impactful than what Bedard put up in his first year in the league (.90) and what he has done season to date (0.73).

Bedard is undoubtedly the more gifted offensive player, but having watched both play this year I think Celebrini will end up being the better player due to his 200 ft game.

 

[Phrasing]

That analysis is really skewed in favor of Bedard. Celebrini is an 18-year-old coming off injury - which caused him to miss 12 games, almost half the season to date - who is still adapting to the best hockey league in the world. Despite the headwinds he is playing at an almost ppg clip (0.94) and making contributions in all 3 zones on what was the worst team in the league last year. That is damned impressive and more impactful than what Bedard put up in his first year in the league (.90) and what he has done season to date (0.73).

Bedard is undoubtedly the more gifted offensive player, but having watched both play this year I think Celebrini will end up being the better player due to his 200 ft game.

I don’t have a problem in saying Celebrini is the more prototypical center and better all around game. He’s also younger and first year. But I also believe that he has much more help than Bedard has ever had and Bedard has carried much more of a load and demonstrated more productivity as a result.

 

[elmaco]

That analysis is really skewed in favor of Bedard. Celebrini is an 18-year-old coming off injury - which caused him to miss 12 games, almost half the season to date - who is still adapting to the best hockey league in the world. Despite the headwinds he is playing at an almost ppg clip (0.94) and making contributions in all 3 zones on what was the worst team in the league last year. That is damned impressive and more impactful than what Bedard put up in his first year in the league (.90) and what he has done season to date (0.73).

Bedard is undoubtedly the more gifted offensive player, but having watched both play this year I think Celebrini will end up being the better player due to his 200 ft game.

Celebrini is more 'Barkov', Bedard more 'Matthews'.

 

[Sasso09]

Holy whiplash, what exactly do you think 2-way means then?

Monster is the operable word. try to keep up

Being responsible 2way doesn't make you great 2-way. Celebrini's defense is getting ridiculously over hyped at this point.

I actually wonder if part of why the Michkov fans hate Celebrini so much in these threads is related to the trauma of Ovechkin ultimately losing the Crosby-rivalry. Obviously Celebrini is no Crosby talent-wise, but being his stylistic heir might be unconsciously triggering some of the folks on here.

Swing and a miss.

Celebrini simple isn't on the level of Bedard or Michkov, that's what's going on here.

 

[Sasso09]

Bedard is fantastic when he has the puck with an absolutely ridiculous shot, he is lacking a bit in size and speed which impacts how effective he can be if his teammates cant help him utilize those assets more. Celebrini I haven't watched enough yet but he does seem bigger and faster which helps his overall game, too early to say who is better for me.

This just isn't true. Celebrini looks very small, he's 1 lb heavier than Bedard and.1 inch taller. There's no notable size difference. Celebrini is the quicker skater, that's true.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

This just isn't true. Celebrini looks very small, he's 1 lb heavier than Bedard and.1 inch taller. There's no notable size difference. Celebrini is the quicker skater, that's true.

He's over 2 inches taller, which is significant when you go from 5-10 to 6 ft. And that difference doubles when talking about wingspan.

 

[On The Prowl]

This just isn't true. Celebrini looks very small, he's 1 lb heavier than Bedard and.1 inch taller. There's no notable size difference. Celebrini is the quicker skater, that's true.

I have only seen highlights of Celebrini and when he played for Canada at the WJC, so you may be right about the size. Even if they are both small it is of course useful to be faster, the NHL is filled with big, fast, and mean players looking to take your space away.

 

[OverTheLine]

Swing and a miss.

Celebrini simple isn't on the level of Bedard or Michkov, that's what's going on here.

What, you don't think my tongue-in-cheek attempt at psychologizing strangers through the internet was accurate? I'm shocked!

I guess I just find it odd––suspicious, even––that the two biggest Michkov boosters are also coincidentally such Bedard-fans that they also show up here in this non-Michkov thread seemingly only for the purpose of dismissing Celebrini's potential. You I can maybe understand, given the Chicago avatar, but your 'comrade' just seems like he's here to be a hater.

I personally think all three are going to be the new faces of the league in five years time. I'm really, really high on all of them. And certainly nobody knows what the long-term career outcomes of the three are gonna beyond pure speculation and conjecture, especially given the very impressive early resumes they've all put out (like, are you really so convinced Macklin is 100% a step behind given what he's accomplished already? Or are you just being contentious?). It's very possible that any one of them could be the best overall player, and any one of them could be the 'worst.' None of us frankly have any idea, just a small body of work to guess off of.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

And Eichel has already won the cup while Matthews hasn't...

I guess McDavid sucks too then.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I guess McDavid sucks too then.

McDavid at least tried.

 

[Sasso09]

Bedard’s 2 most common defense teammates at 5v5 are Alex Vlasic and Seth Jones. It would blow my mind to have those two instead of Cody Ceci and Mario Ferraro, who are Celebrini’s most common defense teammates. So it cuts both ways, although I agree Celebrini has better support in general.

Valid point, but Walman has been great this year