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Celebrini. Better all around. Bedard would have to get faster and/or find a way to get that shot off quicker in order to reach his goal scoring ceiling.
Bedard’s 2 most common defense teammates at 5v5 are Alex Vlasic and Seth Jones. It would blow my mind to have those two instead of Cody Ceci and Mario Ferraro, who are Celebrini’s most common defense teammates. So it cuts both ways, although I agree Celebrini has better support in general.I think his wrister is perfectly fine but he is unable to create space to get it off by skating the puck and no one on the team ever sets the guy up with shit. I’d kill to have a player that is playing like granlund, walman or eklund on the hawks. Having 3 guys playing that well would blow my mind right now after watching this dumpster fire. San Jose has 25% more goals right now (hawks would have to increase their production 33% to match) with 6 players playing roughly at Bedards production level.
Both of those guys are good all around players and Alex is an excellent defender but neither one bring much offensively. Neither are capable PP1 QBs. They do put up half decent numbers due to having no one else but you are kidding yourself if you think they are helping Bedards production. Jones is actively hurting it. I’m hoping vlasic continues to progress offensively.Bedard’s 2 most common defense teammates at 5v5 are Alex Vlasic and Seth Jones. It would blow my mind to have those two instead of Cody Ceci and Mario Ferraro, who are Celebrini’s most common defense teammates. So it cuts both ways, although I agree Celebrini has better support in general.
They don’t need to be legit PP1 QBs to help a lot more than Ceci and Ferraro. They’re able to play against top competition and hold their own both offensively and defensively. That’s a lot more than can be said for the Sharks pair who harm Celebrini’s production by getting caved in and failing to get the puck out or support the cycle when in the offensive zone.Both of those guys are good all around players and Alex is an excellent defender but neither one bring much offensively. Neither are capable PP1 QBs. They do put up half decent numbers due to having no one else but you are kidding yourself if you think they are helping Bedards production. Jones is actively hurting it. I’m hoping vlasic continues to progress offensively.
That analysis is really skewed in favor of Bedard. Celebrini is an 18-year-old coming off injury - which caused him to miss 12 games, almost half the season to date - who is still adapting to the best hockey league in the world. Despite the headwinds he is playing at an almost ppg clip (0.94) and making contributions in all 3 zones on what was the worst team in the league last year. That is damned impressive and more impactful than what Bedard put up in his first year in the league (.90) and what he has done season to date (0.73).Bedard leads his team in scoring and he has no help. He has 4 more points than the next player on his team and only two other players have more than 10 points.
Celebrini missed some games so he’s 6th on his team in total scoring, but even by ppg he’s not leading the team . There’s 7 other players on the Sharks with more than 10 points.
Bedard is the more talented of the two and more likely be a star, although Celebrini is very much making his own case as well.
I don’t have a problem in saying Celebrini is the more prototypical center and better all around game. He’s also younger and first year. But I also believe that he has much more help than Bedard has ever had and Bedard has carried much more of a load and demonstrated more productivity as a result.That analysis is really skewed in favor of Bedard. Celebrini is an 18-year-old coming off injury - which caused him to miss 12 games, almost half the season to date - who is still adapting to the best hockey league in the world. Despite the headwinds he is playing at an almost ppg clip (0.94) and making contributions in all 3 zones on what was the worst team in the league last year. That is damned impressive and more impactful than what Bedard put up in his first year in the league (.90) and what he has done season to date (0.73).
Bedard is undoubtedly the more gifted offensive player, but having watched both play this year I think Celebrini will end up being the better player due to his 200 ft game.