Insufferable! That non sense that someone has nothing to do with his own performance. Hawks might not be good...but how is Bedard not a reason of his own underperformance is beyond my understanding.
Connor Bedard is -84 throughout two seasons…Worst in the NHL
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TruePowerSlave
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The hype was wild man.
I haven't seen any truly outstanding athletic ability from Bedard which will make it hard to fulfill the expectations. He also kinda sucks at everything not offense.
I haven't seen any truly outstanding athletic ability from Bedard which will make it hard to fulfill the expectations. He also kinda sucks at everything not offense.
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He also plays heavy minutes in his first 2 seasons on a terrible team.
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ok, but Celebrini has played better in one season on an equally terrible team with similar minutes and outscored Bedard, with less games played.. i know who i'd pick as a "generational talent"
Lafleurs Guy
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So what did Joe Sakic being a combined like -76 his first two seasons tell you?
What did Bergeron being a team worst -28 when he was 21 tell you?
What did Jeff Shultz being an NHL leading +50 tell you?
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It tells me that the Nords were getting killed at even strength when Sakic was on the ice those two seasons.
Stats merely "tell" us what they measure. To have meaning, they require context and fair interpretation.
What does Patrick Lalime having the best playoff save percentage of all time tell us?
That he was very good in that very small sample? I have no idea what you’re trying to prove here
It tells you that you're not winning games if your top players have almost triple digit minuses. Might be useful, might not. The whole point is to win games right?
Lafleurs Guy
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If you want to know if a team is wining games, you can look at the win/loss column for that.
Plus minus doesn't tell you anything useful.
I remember when one of the Kostitsyns (I think Andrei?) literally gave up and went to the bench instead of chasing a guy that was just barely beating him on a break away.
He didn’t get a minus on this play while his teammate who just jumped onto the ice did.
Should tell you all you need to know about +/- as a stat.
Or players who got a minus because Laine forgot which net he was shooting on.
Saw a clip of Bedard skating end to end, deking by the opposing team to pass the puck to Bertuzzi who proceeded to dump the puck in at the hashmarks of the offensive zone. Told me everything I needed to know about the quality of linemates he has in Chicago.
Kid will be fine, but he needs even semi competent players around him. Hockey isn’t basketball and I’m not sure if the Hawks gm knows that
Kid will be fine, but he needs even semi competent players around him. Hockey isn’t basketball and I’m not sure if the Hawks gm knows that
All of those guys are better skaters than Bedard, and Kucherov and Panarin are crazy strong on the puck. Aho is also really really fast, he just doesn't look it.
Regardless, I think he can be just as good as some of those guys. But he's not going to be a generational center.
All of those players are in the physical peak of their careers so obviously are currently stronger and a bit quicker. He's 19 and I expect him to get to their level of strength and speed when he's in his early to mid 20's.
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Bedard looks defeated. The dude was told he would be the best in the world, could potentially reach the great in pts (people said that) to now barely breaking the 60 pts mark and not even a 30 goal scorer.
He's a top 6 forward, the question is, can he accept it? Or will he stay in denial and pretend he deserve more.
What will his contract extension look like?
What does the chicago organisation think of him now? Do they still believe they should build the team around him ?
Some of you give up far too quickly on young players. Bedard didn't get to where he is by not putting in the work and overcoming adversity. He doesn't have to accept anything other then he has work to do on his game to grow as a player.
Chicago has put an absolutely atrocious roster around him. It's really more up to them to show him they are willing to build a good team for him at this point.
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Yeah but he was hyped as the next generational player in the Crosby-McDavid line. Sorry not sorry that comes with higher than normal expectations.
One being a player that good will produce and drag a horrible team out of the gutter.
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Jack Hughes (pre-injury) is also still around 37% now SIX SEASONS in and soon to be 24. At least Bedard has plenty of time to actually become a great NHL center...it's more than just points. These guys don't need to be elite at the dot, but they need to be serviceable or it f's up line rotations/matchups all game. Every game.
I've argued with my fellow Devs' fans for 2 years now that Jack's game is hollowed out. The only thing he does that a high end NHL C does is produce points. Sure, that's great. But at some point you need to show a willingness to round out your game and do the non pretty stuff including, but not limited to, giving a shit about faceoffs. Again though, at least Bedard has a few more years to figure it out.
Jack is an elite puck transporter, which is exactly what high end NHL centers need to be able to do. There's a reason his possession numbers are so consistently excellent despite his faceoff numbers.
If only he could stay healthy.
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He will be just fine. But he's not generational. He will eventually be a 100 point guy
