Prospect Info: Connor Bedard - 2023 1st - C, Regina

[Beukeboom Fan]

This is a laughable notion. The PLAYERS generate billions of dollars annually, they're actually being cheated out of what they deserve by owners (just like any other company). Its the same bullshit argument NCAA used for decades "but they're getting an education!!" While making billions off the kids.

The workers generate 100% of the revenue, the owner steals 30% or more for doing literally nothing. Moreover sports franchises are an appreciating asset, their valuation rises at an extremely high rate, so the owners are essentially double-dipping on their profits. Michael Jordan bought the Bobcats/Hornets majority stake 13 years ago for $275k he sold it for $3BILLION DOLLARS. The greatest player in history made 30 times as much as his playing career by being a part owner of a shitty franchise. Think about that for a minute

NHL players deserve more too they just have a shitty union.

TDS - no offense - but what do you do for a living? I tend to be balanced in my player/owner "evaluation", and the level of hyperbole in your post is ridiculous. How expensive do you think that the travel, coaching/medical staffs, scouting, and corporate overhead are?

The Bobcats have increased in value (or the Sens for a better NHL example) because of growth in revenues, of which the players get to take immediate advantage of. I would expect that most (aka - 16+) NHL teams don't actually make money annually, and are "ego" plays for the owner. The top teams like the Leafs, Rangers & such obviously make a boatload of money, but I'd bet that most teams are break-even at best. The NBA is a completely different situation because they play a more accessible and "worldwide game" and as a result have significant higher media and overseas revenue rights that the NHL doesn't. The appreciation in the franchise right is "paper gain" until you actually sell the franchise.

 

[ChiHawks10]

TDS - no offense - but what do you do for a living? I tend to be balanced in my player/owner "evaluation", and the level of hyperbole in your post is ridiculous. How expensive do you think that the travel, coaching/medical staffs, scouting, and corporate overhead are?

The Bobcats have increased in value (or the Sens for a better NHL example) because of growth in revenues, of which the players get to take immediate advantage of. I would expect that most (aka - 16+) NHL teams don't actually make money annually, and are "ego" plays for the owner. The top teams like the Leafs, Rangers & such obviously make a boatload of money, but I'd bet that most teams are break-even at best. The NBA is a completely different situation because they play a more accessible and "worldwide game" and as a result have significant higher media and overseas revenue rights that the NHL doesn't. The appreciation in the franchise right is "paper gain" until you actually sell the franchise.

I believe as recently as 2017, half the NBA's teams were losing money. I don't think that's the case now, but it was.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

The NBA has the same revenue split as the NHL. The NBA is just way more popular so the talent makes way more. You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger advocate for labor than myself on these boards but it's just numbers.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I believe as recently as 2017, half the NBA's teams were losing money. I don't think that's the case now, but it was.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm sure the top teams make a killing, but I'd expect that many teams struggle and are subsidized by owners who see the franchise as an accessory.

 

[thedarkstark]

I’m not an apologist for billionaires, but there’s so much wrong with this post that I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

Please enlighten me, wise one.

TDS - no offense - but what do you do for a living?

I'm a part of the union that just agreed on a record labor deal. UPS boasted about generating $13 Billion net profit in 2021 while refusing to offer hazard pay. My company boasted about making $11 Billion net profit in 2021-2022, (nearly 10x their normal profits) while offering no hazard pay.

Owners will take and take and take as much as you allow them to, which is why we need stronger unions. f*** owners period, the scum of the earth.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Please enlighten me, wise one.


I'm a part of the union that just agreed on a record labor deal. UPS boasted about generating $13 Billion net profit in 2021 while refusing to offer hazard pay. My company boasted about making $11 Billion net profit in 2021-2022, (nearly 10x their normal profits) while offering no hazard pay.

Owners will take and take and take as much as you allow them to, which is why we need stronger unions. f*** owners period, the scum of the earth.

First, congrats on sticking it to the man.

IMO, to analogize your work situation with the NBA/NHL (or any professional sports league) is a HUGE oversimplification. Please note I'm not denying that the most of NHL owners are trying to maximize the return on their investment. They 100% are. Just like the vast majority of NHLPA members are trying to maximize their own revenues. Both parties have negotiated a fair (IMO) CBA where they share in the growth of the league, and I think the league is significantly stronger for it. The periods of time when either the owners or players dominated the league led to a less competitive environment. They system now have both parties incentivized to grow the game, and share in benefits of doing so.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Please enlighten me, wise one.


I'm a part of the union that just agreed on a record labor deal. UPS boasted about generating $13 Billion net profit in 2021 while refusing to offer hazard pay. My company boasted about making $11 Billion net profit in 2021-2022, (nearly 10x their normal profits) while offering no hazard pay.

Owners will take and take and take as much as you allow them to, which is why we need stronger unions. f*** owners period, the scum of the earth.

As it pertains to UPS, the owners are institutions like banks and investment firms (about 60%) and the general public (about 40%.)

I'm not sure toward who you're directing your hate? The banks I guess?

They're not going to be the ones paying for the teamsters' raises. It's the customers who will pay (and pass it on to their customers.) Nobody is "sticking it to the man" in this case.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Who cares about poverty ball keep this about Bedard

 

[HawksDub89]

Who cares about poverty ball keep this about Bedard

Poverty ball?

 

[Cold Steel on Ice]

Why does almost every thread have to turn into a pissing match?Lets talk about Bedard!

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

The NHLs biggest problem imo is they market to hockey fans. There is very little effort made to attract people that aren’t hockey fans and it drives me mad. Maybe I’m just missing it?

 

[HawksDub89]

The NHLs biggest problem imo is they market to hockey fans. There is very little effort made to attract people that aren’t hockey fans and it drives me mad. Maybe I’m just missing it?

And the fact that it’s absurdly expensive to play, even at the youth level.

Hockeys growth as a sport has a multitude of issues. If anything I could see it declining in popularity.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Hockey is expensive to play and it's the sport that by far loses the most in the translation from the live product to the televised product.

At this point, the NHL should just give away 500 tickets every game to people that have never watched hockey before. If they could somehow do that, I'd bet that they'd make at least 50 new fans a game, bare minimum.

Only half in jest.

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

And the fact that it’s absurdly expensive to play, even at the youth level.

Hockeys growth as a sport has a multitude of issues. If anything I could see it declining in popularity.

Right I know some areas do this but it should be more widespread like football. Where you pay 200 or some reasonable flat rate for a season and get supplied gear for the season.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Right I know some areas do this but it should be more widespread like football. Where you pay 200 or some reasonable flat rate for a season and get supplied gear for the season.

I coach catholic school youth football. Our cost is $250 dollars. The players get equipment and the cost pays for refs. Whatever is left over is used to buy equipment, redo helmets and stuff for drills as needed. Our home games are at a city park.
So a flat payment might work for youth hockey (equipment) but it can’t cover the cost of ice time.

 

[Pez68]

Who cares about poverty ball keep this about Bedard

....poverty ball? Tell me you're a racist without telling me you're a racist.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I wonder how much it'd realistically cost for the Hawks/NHL to open up 3 public rinks around the city and subsidize them. One up North past Rogers Park, one West past Damen, and one South past the United Center. Keep them open, pay people to give hockey/skating lessons, and re-use equipment.

Maybe it's a pipe dream and there's a lot logistically i'm unaware of but it would be really nice if you didn't have to have rich parents to play hockey through your teen years. I know three kids right now who's parents put them through competitive hockey. One lives in Glen Ellyn right of off 56, the other two live in mansions in Wilmette.

I grew up very comfortably in the middle class. I played baseball and football in school, there was no way my parents could afford to put me in a travel hockey league. Or a private league.

 

[Pez68]

I wonder how much it'd realistically cost for the Hawks/NHL to open up 3 public rinks around the city and subsidize them. One up North past Rogers Park, one West past Damen, and one South past the United Center. Keep them open, pay people to give hockey/skating lessons, and re-use equipment.

Maybe it's a pipe dream and there's a lot logistically i'm unaware of but it would be really nice if you didn't have to have rich parents to play hockey through your teen years. I know three kids right now who's parents put them through competitive hockey. One lives in Glen Ellyn right of off 56, the other two live in mansions in Wilmette.

I grew up very comfortably in the middle class. I played baseball and football in school, there was no way my parents could afford to put me in a travel hockey league. Or a private league.

It's a shame, because it's the greatest game on earth. It would be amazing if it was more accessible.

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

I coach catholic school youth football. Our cost is $250 dollars. The players get equipment and the cost pays for refs. Whatever is left over is used to buy equipment, redo helmets and stuff for drills as needed. Our home games are at a city park.
So a flat payment might work for youth hockey (equipment) but it can’t cover the cost of ice time.

Hockey has more equipment that football and the ice time factor is big I get that. I was just throwing a rate out more than anything. Would $500 cover ice and equipment? Not cheap but still way better than buying new/lightly used gear every time a growing kid outgrows their gear.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Hockey has more equipment that football and the ice time factor is big I get that. I was just throwing a rate out more than anything. Would $500 cover ice and equipment? Not cheap but still way better than buying new/lightly used gear every time a growing kid outgrows their gear.

Not sure

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

Not sure

Just spitballing but potentially get team sponsors to cover the cost of ice time and keep that rate down

 

[Mrfenn92]

Just spitballing but potentially get team sponsors to cover the cost of ice time and keep that rate down

Understood. Just not sure how inexpensive it could be made

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Hockey is costing you a comma plus before equipment. It's my favorite thing but it's not cheap.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Hockey is costing you a comma plus before equipment. It's my favorite thing but it's not cheap.

And that's just house leagues.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

And that's just house leagues.

Yep. It's like $2500 to play at the nothing level. I was lucky enough to have great parents that understood how much hockey meant to me. And my dad played.

It's a sport for the wealthy. We weren't. It doesn't force out just the poor. It's increasingly forcing out the middle class unless they've got an affinity for the game. It's a niche sport. I think the number of fans who haven't played is going to grow exponentially.