Proposal: Complicated Koskinen for Korpisalo trade

[IIxGURUxII]

Korpisalo is a downgrade over Kosk.. no thank you
Nemo .. now i am not interested in trading that tank

 

[DarthProbert]

Why would Canes of all teams take salary and another goalie, makes no sense at all.

And swap a vet depth D for a rookie.

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

CAR Ian Cole $2.9m (to 2022 UFA) to EDM
CAR 2nd 2023 to EDM
CAR 3rd 2023 to ARI

EDM Mikko Koskinen $4.5m (to 2022 UFA) to ARI
EDM Markus Niemelainen (to 2022 RFA) $0.8m to CAR
EDM CAR 2nd 2023 to CBJ

ARI Mikko Koskinen 50% $2.3m to CAR

CBJ Joonas Korpisalo $2.8m (to 2022 UFA) to EDM


End results:
CAR: Niemelainen $0.8m, Koskinen $2.3m
EDM: Korpisalo $2.8m, Cole $2.9m
ARI: CAR 3rd 2023, (-$2.3m)
CBJ: CAR 2nd 2023


Canes get Niemelainen who is a gem, and Koskinen is actually a useful backup. Yotes get a pick for using their last retention slot. Jackets get a fair return for Korpisalo. Oilers immediately improve their goaltending at the cost of losing the hilarious hitman for a solid bottom pair vet.

Note, all four contracts end this season, no long term commitments, and that affected the pick valuations.

(If you think those valuations are off, please simply tell what would be correct instead of yelling and cussing. I'm new at this armchair GM stuff.)

Korpisalo is not really an improvement.

He's just as bad with a worst SV% and GAA.

Niemelainen isn't getting traded either. Edmonton is not giving up a bruising defenceman who can stand up and punish zone entries.

 

[Larry Hanson]

Any deal that uses up Arizona's last retention slot would have to be a bigger return than what they will get for Kessel with retention otherwise why would they do it?

 

[Just a Fan]

Korpisalo isn't enough of an upgrade to bother....and the Oilers shouldn't move Nemo.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Korpisalo isn't worse than Koskinen. And the salary stuff evened out.

(The Wrestler is an underrated movie. Cool cool cool.)

Koskinen last 3 years

48-34-5, .907

Korpisalo last 3 years

34-33-12, .899

Yeah, he's worse.

 

[DomBarr]

Koskinen wont waive the NTC to go to a non playoff team

you need to follow it through as he ends up in Carolina which is a WAY better team than Edmonton.

 

[DomBarr]

you need to follow it through as he ends up in Carolina which is a WAY better team than Edmonton.

I need to follow through the thread. this was already pointed out.

 

[innitfam]

Why would the Canes trade multiple picks and a depth guy like Cole in this scenario?

Is Niemelainen a blue chip prospect?

Also, they're a contender. They'd be trading futures for win-now guys.

 

[belair]

I'm coming around on Korpisalo because I truly believe that his stats in the past couple of seasons have completely tanked his trade value. And I don't think either goalie is as poor there as their results have shown. Korpisalo also has some really strong numbers in the playoffs, so it wouldn't really hurt to give his a test run as an impending UFA.

That being said, I don't think it's a trade that really needs to be complicated. Late pick value that slightly improves due to having to take back some salary.

 

[McBooya42]

No. I'm not even looking at the proposal because we want an improvement in net.

 

[Viqsi]

Don't need ARI either if Korpisalo is the target for EDM.

It should be a straight Koski for Korpi swap

...except that the Jackets want no part of that unless we're getting additional compensation for it.

 

[Stubu]

No. I'm not even looking at the proposal because we want an improvement in net.

Can you get Gibson?

 

[McBooya42]

Can you get Gibson?

Depends what the ask is I guess hey? If I had a choice, I'd keep Koski over Korp.

 

[McBooya42]

Jesus. I just looked at the proposal, and its an even bigger no.

 

[Seachd]

Edmonton gets an upgrade on defense, a potential upgrade in goal, and a 2nd round pick.

You're reading it wrong.

 

[The Nuge]

On the surface this looks ridiculously bad for the Canes but I don't know much about Markus Niemelainen, what can people tell me about him?

He’s a decently mobile 6’6 dman who’s out there looking to murder guys to the point where 13 games into his career, you’re already seeing other teams scouting picking up to avoid going to those areas against him. You’d struggle to find any Oiler fans who would entertain the idea of moving him. He’s still got a ways to go, but he’s looking extremely promising

 

[McBooya42]

He’s a decently mobile 6’6 dman who’s out there looking to murder guys to the point where 13 games into his career, you’re already seeing other teams scouting picking up to avoid going to those areas against him. You’d struggle to find any Oiler fans who would entertain the idea of moving him. He’s still got a ways to go, but he’s looking extremely promising

He's not going anywhere any time soon...nope.

 

[Stubu]

No. I'm not even looking at the proposal because we want an improvement in net.

Truth be told, I just wanted to try pry out Nemo from your contractual/budgetary grasp. Unpossible, I know.

 

[Stubu]

I'm coming around on Korpisalo because I truly believe that his stats in the past couple of seasons have completely tanked his trade value. And I don't think either goalie is as poor there as their results have shown. Korpisalo also has some really strong numbers in the playoffs, so it wouldn't really hurt to give his a test run as an impending UFA.

That being said, I don't think it's a trade that really needs to be complicated. Late pick value that slightly improves due to having to take back some salary.

Don't tell anyone but smuggling Niemelainen to Canes was the secret plot in it all along.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Pass from Edmonton.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Don't tell anyone but smuggling Niemelainen to Canes was the secret plot in it all along.

I could tell from the proposal that this was the case. Hands off our Neimo.

 

[belair]

Koskinen last 3 years

48-34-5, .907

Korpisalo last 3 years

34-33-12, .899

Yeah, he's worse.

When it comes to trade value, yeah Korpisalo should have zero value based on recent results. But is Merzlikins really only a 0.903 goalie? That team doesn't help out their goalies a ton.

I'm of the belief that the majority of goalies in this market are at best a moderate upgrade on Koskinen, who in all honesty is an average 1B goaltender.

If all it takes is a mid-round pick to take Korpisalo with Columbus making the money work, yeah, I'd probably be fine with him the rest of the way just looking at his playoff numbers. It frees us up to flip Koskinen elsewhere to open salary to address other areas.

 

[Stubu]

I could tell from the proposal that this was the case. Hands off our Neimo.

Dang, you noticed. The proposal was elaborate enough, I didn't anger the hockey gods, or at least I confused them.

 

[Stubu]

I'm not convinced that Korpisalo isn't actually worse than Koskinen. Props for doing all the complicated work on it, but I don't think it makes Edmonton better.

Speaking of complicated... when it comes to goalies, should we call it save percentage or save ratio?