Gilmour1996
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Comparables for Matthews and Nylander
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Sadly in sports it only works one way. If you have a career year coming into a contract year, you will be overcompensated. Have a down year, ( Nylander is actually already at a career high) and agents will use the entire body of work over the previous contract.
Salaries rarely go down unless it's a vet in his mid 30's, or a bottom 6 who is willing to take less to stay in the league.
The hope has to be they want to stay in TO and want to continue having a team that can be a contender. Take a modest raise and save some capspace for other spots of need
tom leafers
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For Nylander maby sebastian Aho and his $8.5ish per year? just under a $2m raise and both have similar career stats.
for Matthews, i cant see justifying paying him more then Mackinnon, so maby $12m flat? maby $12.3? i cant see how they ask for McDavid money
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Suntouchable13
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It all depends on what happens in the playoffs. Another failure, and Nylander should be the first one to be jettisoned. He will not be worth his next contract 100%. This core will have to be start to get shaken up if the lose again to TB. On Matthews, I don’t think he is worth 13 or 14M especially without any playoff success.
Nylander I agree will probably be the one to go but he will be worth his contract. Unless someone overpays him as a UFA.
If he is making 8- 8.5 he will easily live up to that.
Matthews I would imagine goes slightly ahead of Mack regardless of playoff success. Whether that is fair or not is up for debate, but he is still a premiere scorer and will help any team reach the playoffs.
Since all teams budgets are based on the regular season and playoff revenue is just bonus money, teams don't view it as black and white as fans do
Gary Nylund
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When star players are one year away from UFA status, if anyone's doing any begging it'll be the team.
If the team fails, why are you assuming that Nylander has to go?
Nylander is a better player than he was a few years ago, same can be said for M&M but Nylander has outproduced both of them over the last two playoffs so before I decide who to jettison, I want to first see how they all play in the playoffs and what their contract demands are.
ToneDog
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If you think Matthews signed for 5 years only to give the Leafs a discount for his UFA 8-year contract, you're very mistaken.
I'm thinking I might just avoid everything hockey in general when these negotiations are going down.
I'm thinking I might just avoid everything hockey in general when these negotiations are going down.
Matthews wanted an 8 year deal to begin with. Kyle Dubas/leafs management wanted a 5 year deal to give the team more flexibility. So yes I think he’s on board with the long term plan. I don’t think Matthews is going to try and strong arm the team. He’s going to take a fair value contract which is something under MacKinnon. Or an identical deal based on cap percentages.
Stamkos and Crosby also signed 5-year deals then locked up long term. The only person really to screw the team after the 5-year post ELC is John Tavares.
I will bet every cent in my bank account that Matthews is getting atleast $1.5M more than Mackinnon.
It is so bloody obvious how this is all gonna go down. Negotations are gonna be ridiculous, the media is gonna go on a rampage about Matthews demanding league maximum, and a whole bunch of unreadable bullshit in between. As the months progress on, Matthews will eventually sign for $14-15M which will be declared a "victory" because they negotiated him down from league max.
I don’t believe that narrative at all and I’m a guy who believes players are paid based on regular season success.
He’s going to ask for a similar cap percentage that MacKinnon got and that’s not going to equate to 1.5 million more than MacKinnon. Might be a couple hundred-thousand if that depending on how much the cap goes up.
I really do hope you're right. But from what I learned from the last negotiations - Toronto has to pay a premium for elite talent, no idea why or what makes them have to but it's just how it is.
ToneDog
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First 4 years of Matty's 11.634mx5 year deal.
Great numbers but, other than a 60 goal season, overpayment.
In comparison to McDavid's first 5 years of his 12.5mx8 year deal, not in the same neighborhood.
Hope the brainiacs at MLSEL learned something come time to negotiate his next deal.
Great numbers but, other than a 60 goal season, overpayment.
In comparison to McDavid's first 5 years of his 12.5mx8 year deal, not in the same neighborhood.
Hope the brainiacs at MLSEL learned something come time to negotiate his next deal.
A1LeafNation
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Mackinnon for Matthews. 13.5m x 8 years.
Not mentioned in OP, but Marner should be compared to Kuch and Pasta. These are the players on teams we are competing with annually and we should be building our cap structure similar to Boston and Tampa.
These got paid on their 2nd contracts and shot the Leafs in the foot. We did not win and did not come close to expectations. Time for them to take below market deals if they want to win.
Not mentioned in OP, but Marner should be compared to Kuch and Pasta. These are the players on teams we are competing with annually and we should be building our cap structure similar to Boston and Tampa.
These got paid on their 2nd contracts and shot the Leafs in the foot. We did not win and did not come close to expectations. Time for them to take below market deals if they want to win.
The only player I can find in the cap era that signed a UFA contract and had a case for making more than Matthews (at least by the time Matthews signs, which doesn't include McDavid) is Crosby, and he had career-threatening health complications and signed a now-illegal, discounted, back diving contract that was more about getting his number as his cap hit than proper market value, so he's not a great comparable. Matthews is in a pretty unique tier that, to an extent, gets to set their price, so it's hard to lock down a range with precision. I don't think Matthews is going to push to maximize his earnings on this contract, but unless he's giving us a significant discount, he'll get the biggest 8-year UFA contract in the cap era to date by cap hit percentage, and he will be more than worth it.
Unless those two sign for Willie at 9-9.5mil and AM at 12-12.5mil, anything over will be over value for some here in Leafsnation and will start rants....or even if they sign at those values, those same section of Leafsnation will still start other rants...
Like someone wrote here, best to avoid WIllie, AM and Dubas/MGT threads for a few months, when they finally sign or trade or whatever.
Like someone wrote here, best to avoid WIllie, AM and Dubas/MGT threads for a few months, when they finally sign or trade or whatever.
acrobaticgoalie
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Matthews will get at least as much as if not slightly more than MacKinnon.
Nylander may be serious trade bait for a #1D else, he's looking at something between Tage Thompson and Brady Tkachuk.
very different players, but $$ is on target and recent signs
Nylander may be serious trade bait for a #1D else, he's looking at something between Tage Thompson and Brady Tkachuk.
very different players, but $$ is on target and recent signs
ToneDog
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The way Willie is going 8x8.8 might be too much. How many teams have won with 12+m, 11m, 10.893m and 9+m forwards and no true number 1 dman and goalie ??
Answer: None.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Only a matter of time when teams paying their top stars less than $9m pass us by.
ToneDog
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That is sad but at the same time not true for JT, Gio, Spezza. Honest question, do you think McDavid and MacKinnon would have any issues playing here??
There is no better fanbase in the league like Leaf nation.
WillyC
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I dream of a situation where JT, ROR, MM, AM, & WN all get together for a handshake deal like this:
JT - I’ll take 1.5 million
ROR - I’m good at 3.5 million
MM - count me in long term at 9.5 million
WN - I’m in for the long haul at 8.5
AM… Ok boys, let’s do this… I’m in at 11.5
Let’s shake on it… boom.
JT - I’ll take 1.5 million
ROR - I’m good at 3.5 million
MM - count me in long term at 9.5 million
WN - I’m in for the long haul at 8.5
AM… Ok boys, let’s do this… I’m in at 11.5
Let’s shake on it… boom.
acrobaticgoalie
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It's not true for every player but there are people who don't like playing in the spotlight and don't don't want to be constantly bothered. Stamkos was one of them from what I heard. This is a friend of a friend situation so take it for what it is but 2 people I know who know Stamkos said he wasn't coming here during FA because he had no interest in playing in the constant spotlight and drama that comes with playing for the Leafs.
Some guys can handle it, some can't. The examples you listed are guys who just want to play for their childhood team no matter what. I think McDavid will at some point too.
Leafs nation is a passionate fan base but can you honestly say that it would be the best one to play for? You have constant negativity and scrutiny for even the littlest mistakes. Look at how fans are talking about guys like Murray and Holl for example. Gardiner, Raycroft, Phaneuf, Kessel etc. This fan base has a lot of unreasonable nutjobs to go along with the good ones. Compare that to a team like the Canes who have a solid fan base but don't have the constant media scrums with negative press and fans constantly ready with pitchforks.
No more free handout if they can't win a couple rounds.
No more begging to be a leaf .
Sign them this summer or trade them
