News: Columbus taking calls on multiple players.

[thaman8765678]

Johnny for Jonathan. Who says no?

 

[ViD]

Johnny for Jonathan. Who says no?

After he just boarded and cut Roslovic ? Yeah, right

 

[biturbo19]

After he just boarded and cut Roslovic ? Yeah, right

Hey, people wanted to see fire and passion and aggression from HubbyDubs claiming he was just coasting after he got paid. There it is. Now it's a bad thing when he does it?


It's not like he was just rifling the puck at his own teammates on the bench for no good reason or something.

 

[jonu]

Laine could have been a superstar never mind star.
He has dominated some games, especially earlier in his career.
His last game with the Jets was one of the best I've seen from him.

I have heard he is lazy in the off season and doesn't do much skating at all. He has shown to be, not sure what the word is, disinterested? in the game.
It's a shame.

He does most of his off-season training with Barkov, and Barkov aint lazy.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Trade them to LA, we like getting honed, if the ask is a 1st, Blake will start the bidding at 2 1sts

 

[majormajor]

Has Provorov been that bad?

For the first couple months it was the best Provorov had played in years. One of the Jackets best players. Lately it looks like he's mentally checked out on a bottom dweller. It makes me think they should trade him.

He's a center now ! The issue with Laine is do you want an 8 mill or whatever dollar player that is hurt 80 percent of the time

If healthy he is worth his contract

Hard to say that Laine is a center.

He looked good at it in two games last year, and then got a concussion to start this season, and then they put him back at wing while he was recovering. He hasn't been healthy yet this year.

Somewhat similar to Tage Thompson, Laine is more efficient in open ice and away from the boards. He's fast as long as you don't make him stop and start too much. He's also a great backchecker so there are some nice center attributes there. But we haven't seen him play the position much yet.

Fair but Columbus isn’t just giving him away

I think we are, and we should be.

Laine brings the same attributes the young scorers do (mercurial explosive scorer) and not the complementary attributes we need to surround Fantilli, KJ, and the Troika with (consistency, puck management).

Trading for Provorov and Severson was a move to bolster team defense and attempt to contend for a play off spot.

Now that the plan has failed, it might be worth trading Provorov giving his contract and the fact that Kings retained a solid bit of his salary

I think the plan was to insulate the kids with some decent veterans to start competing for a playoff spot. Something Buffalo needs to do. It just hasn't worked out for a myriad of reasons. The kids have been their best players.

Yeah I think it was so obvious that the club needed veteran help so that the kids could learn in a better environment. The general idea was justifiable whether they made the playoffs or not, I don't believe that the FO thought this club was making the playoffs. They thought it would be better to try.

I'd assume Voronkov is close to untouchable as well? I really like his and Marchenko's game. Probably two guys you'd continue to build around.

Zero chance.

Would a player like Chinakov be available? I know he asked for a trade earlier this year but I don’t know what became of that. With his 12th of the year it’s looking like he’s finding a spot in Columbus

Zero chance. The three young Russians have been carrying the team, to the extent that they've gotten anywhere.

Would also be interested in Peeke for the Jets. Seems like the r/h version of Samberg.

Wait a few months and you can sign him, he's almost certainly getting the U26 buyout this summer.

Jenner is especially unlikely because we badly need his mentoring experience. About the only way it could be rationalized is if we could get something similar going on the backend - and in such a scenario, y'all would also be taking on someone like Provorov or Severson as well as part of it on the assumption that they're not doing well. I recommend giving up on the idea.

That doesn't rationalize moving Jenner and it seems to imply that Provorov would require assets to move, which is exactly backwards. Severson's* contract is a problem, Provorov's is big value right now.

*Severson has actually been pretty solid lately, overpaid but good.

Because Boone Jenner is slow as f***. He'd look terrible in Tocchet's system. Especially at the cost it'd take to acquire him.


Now...if they were able to swindle the Jackets out of Kent Johnson while Keke is still in charge of crashing the ship...i'd be willing to pay through the nose for that. But i don't get the impression they have any desire whatsoever to move the younger guys like that, even with Jarmo being halfway clueless.

That's funny because Boone Jenner is much faster than Kent Johnson.

Boone is a powerful skater but ungraceful, and it makes him looks slower than he is. Kent meanwhile is graceful but lacks speed.

I don't know that Laine strikes me as strictly "disinterested" in the way that someone like say, PLD can be. It feels like Laine does at least actually really love playing hockey and scoring goals. He's just got a bit of an unusual personality for a star hockey player. He seems to sort of march to the beat of his own drum. Has a very different sort of intensity than your typical "rah rah 110%" players...which can certainly come across as "lazy" or "disinterested" as a casual glance. Can also be a real enigma for coaches who aren't used to players whose attitude seems to exist outside the typical "elite athlete" mindset.

Laine has gotten more and more intense over the years. He's passionate and trains hard. But he's 6'5 and not built very strong which will tend to make guys look lazy.

 

[biturbo19]

That's funny because Boone Jenner is much faster than Kent Johnson.

Boone is a powerful skater but ungraceful, and it makes him looks slower than he is. Kent meanwhile is graceful but lacks speed.

He absolutely, unequivocally is not. Boone Jenner hustles his bag off every moment he's on the ice and it may look like he's moving in a vacuum. Like if you threw an isolation shot on him, maybe you'd think, "wow that guy's really scootin'". But he's a catastrophically clunky, choppy, and desperately inefficient skater who has to constantly run at redline on effort and work rate just to get to where he needs to be in a relatively timeline fashion. He's a slug, who tries really f***ing hard.

He's like the polar opposite of guys like Draisaitl and Malkin who look like they're just coasting but are covering absolutely huge amounts of ice in a huge hurry with big powerful loping strides. Swallow up the neutral zone in a couple strides. Jenner will churn over like ten times more in the same distance.

Laine has gotten more and more intense over the years. He's passionate and trains hard. But he's 6'5 and not built very strong which will tend to make guys look lazy.

This is true. It's also another example of the above. Laine being a big lanky dude...he's much faster than Jenner, but because of the nature of their builds and skating, Jenner looks like he's racing along while Laine can look "lazy" because he's just taking those big purposeful strides...at like a quarter of the rate that Jenner thrashes away at. Yet still covering more ice in the process.

 

[Guttersniped]

Provorov would definitely be interesting. With that retained salary, his contract is very manageable now and with another year on it, so it's not just a pure rental. If the Blue Jackets were to also retain on it, you could be getting a solid Top-4D with a heavy "playoff ready" game for like $2.5-3M which would be very convenient for teams to fit into their cap situation this year and next.

Jarmo traded a 2023 1st (#22) and future 2nd to get Provorov in June 2023.

The return on a retained Provorov would have to be very enticing or new GM has to make that deal. I don’t see how he gets a whoopsie on that.

 

[oceanchild]

Fair but Columbus isn’t just giving him away

I agree, they will need to add a sweetener

Look at his overall contribution during his time in Columbus and think of tying up that much cap. The best ability is availability and he ain’t got that. He’s one of the worst contracts in the nhl given him numbers per season.

 

[biturbo19]

Jarmo traded a 2023 1st (#22) and future 2nd to get Provorov in June 2023.

The return on a retained Provorov would have to be very enticing or new GM has to make that deal. I don’t see how he gets a whoopsie on that.

That's fair. And i think any trade for a retained Provorov starts with a 1st round pick+.

But it's also hard to understand exactly what's even going on with the Columbus front office right now. Jarmo feels like a complete dead man walking to me. Which is a strange way of handling things...but it almost reads like he's maybe been given a directive to just "get the most that you can for your whoopsies and clear the decks as much as possible for the next guy". Very peculiar way of handling the situation, rather than just bringing in someone else to manage the sell-off, if not just take over altogether.

But i don't see any way Jarmo makes it past the end of this season. His "vision" for the team has just completely and utterly failed on every level. The drafting hasn't really panned out so great. He's thrown insane money at Free Agents who haven't worked out. It really just feels like they've kept him on because ownership doesn't want to bother with finding a serviceable interim replacement. Probably already have someone in mind to take over, but can't snag them officially until the offseason or something.

 

[Pucklington]

Laine to LA for PLD at 50% and 1st.

Do it....

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Jenner is especially unlikely because we badly need his mentoring experience. About the only way it could be rationalized is if we could get something similar going on the backend - and in such a scenario, y'all would also be taking on someone like Provorov or Severson as well as part of it on the assumption that they're not doing well. I recommend giving up on the idea.

Girard for Jenner?

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

This right here is the essence of the trade boards. If things don't go your way start to downtalk the player. The Jackets are probably fine keeping him and hopes that he will bounce back from his injury streak. It's not like it's a huge gamble since he isn't signed beyond 2026.

Hard to bring Laine attitude in your dressing room. You need to be very careful on this stuff. You want to build a culture

 

[StickShift]

I’m shocked that they would give Jarmo Kekelainen another chance to do major surgery to this roster. I figured he was finally done for after the Babcock fiasco.

I don’t understand how he still has a job after Columbus has failed to make a step for so many years. It’s part of the culture problem that permeates through the franchise. No accountability for poor performances.

 

[MKGamingByMunish]

I think Laine ($2M retained) to Vancouver for Kuzmenko, 2nd RD Pick, Prospect

 

[TBF1972]

I'd rather have former Devils draft pick Teemu Laine. THERE I said it

i am not sure we still hold his rights but for a lottery protected first you can have him.

 

[majormajor]

He absolutely, unequivocally is not. Boone Jenner hustles his bag off every moment he's on the ice and it may look like he's moving in a vacuum. Like if you threw an isolation shot on him, maybe you'd think, "wow that guy's really scootin'". But he's a catastrophically clunky, choppy, and desperately inefficient skater who has to constantly run at redline on effort and work rate just to get to where he needs to be in a relatively timeline fashion. He's a slug, who tries really f***ing hard.

He's like the polar opposite of guys like Draisaitl and Malkin who look like they're just coasting but are covering absolutely huge amounts of ice in a huge hurry with big powerful loping strides. Swallow up the neutral zone in a couple strides. Jenner will churn over like ten times more in the same distance.



This is true. It's also another example of the above. Laine being a big lanky dude...he's much faster than Jenner, but because of the nature of their builds and skating, Jenner looks like he's racing along while Laine can look "lazy" because he's just taking those big purposeful strides...at like a quarter of the rate that Jenner thrashes away at. Yet still covering more ice in the process.

Superficially Jenner doesn't look fast. No casual viewer is tuning in and thinking that Boone Jenner guy is fast.

He's got everyone fooled. The technique is legit bad, I don't know why you think that is being debated. But the actual speed is faster than Kent Johnson.

 

[majormajor]

Girard for Jenner?

No interest in either part of that.

I think Laine ($2M retained) to Vancouver for Kuzmenko, 2nd RD Pick, Prospect

I'd take that deal. The Jackets mIght get a better offer elsewhere but if this is the best one I'd do it.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

He's not untouchable per se but yeah he is someone we're working to build around. Columbus is not your source for physical centers; we need the ones we have.

Marchenko is a beast

 

[Napoli]

I’m shocked that they would give Jarmo Kekelainen another chance to do major surgery to this roster. I figured he was finally done for after the Babcock fiasco.

I don’t understand how he still has a job after Columbus has failed to make a step for so many years. It’s part of the culture problem that permeates through the franchise. No accountability for poor performances.

Ownership who doesn't have a clue what their doing and permit mediocrity is the answer to your question. Jarmo should of been out arguably last year and most definitely after the Babcock debacle.

 

[RickyLafleur]

So can we finally acknowledge that Jarmo is a bad gm? I remember a particular fan defended him quite vigorously in recent years.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

After he just boarded and cut Roslovic ? Yeah, right

Roslovic sucks, so just waive his ass and no one would care.

Hopefully Gaudreau and Huberdeau both suck and are expensive

 

[HoseEmDown]

Sergachev (8.5x8) + Sheary (2x3) for Provorov (4.75x2) + Roslovic (4x1)?

Ideally it's short-term for long-term. Tampa gets the short-term to give them cap flexibility to reconstruct the roster, while Columbus gets guys who'll be there beyond next season.

I think both teams would be happy with their new defenseman and not with the forwards. Tampa takes the risk that Provorov walks after next season and they have nothing behind an aging Hedman while Columbus gets current Sergachev and not the one who was expected when given that contract.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Kuzmenko, 2025 2nd, 2024 5th, for Laine w/ $3M retainment

 

[Ianturnedbull]

This is foolish. If CBJ knew better they would boldly trade Jenner.

If it means a potentially brighter future, why would CBJ not strive for that? A 1st for Jenner is a fair offer.