Post-Game Talk: Columbus Blue Jackets at New York Rangers - March 20

[Edge]

We've talked about Zucc for Pesce on the main boards and the Canes fans don't seem to hate it.

I wouldn't be opposed to that conversation.

Something tells me he's going west though.

 

[Siddi]

Good thing games don't take place on charts lol!!!1!!1!

 

[bl02]

You all wanted to trade Kreider two weeks ago

Anybody watching this team and the difference between no kreider and with kreider would be crazy to trade him unless its massive overpayment. Like i said if our goal is to tank next year trade kreider. If you wanna be competitive and make the playoffs keep him.

 

[NYR]

He doesn't have that many WITH Kreider.

He does his damage on the powerplay and drives possession at even strength.

If he were a good even strength producer, he'd be Anze Kopitar. If you're expecting Kopitar, that's your fault.

Unlike quite a few posters on here, I never expected him to produce like a Kopitar and my argument all along was to not force him into that position.
Yet, here we are..

 

[Machinehead]

Why do you think he doesn't score as much 5 on 5 despite having the skill and possession?

Little bit of bad luck. The discrepancy between his expected goals and actual goals before the concussion was pretty comical.

Also, neither he or Kreider are particularly good passers.

 

[Krams]

You all wanted to trade Kreider two weeks ago

This is a total fabrication

 

[bl02]

I wouldn't be opposed to that conversation.

Something tells me he's going west though.

You mean the Candy Cane fans are actually willing to trade one of their so special defenseman to improve their team with the likes of zucc? Well if they don't thats ok too they can just continue to miss the playoffs again

 

[Edge]

Kreider has obliterated the image his critics created ten times over. We shouldn't even be talking about it anymore.

He's pacing for 55 over 82 during a season in which he's been healthy for like 11 games.

I don't if that quite constitutes obliterated.

I really like Kreider, but he's quickly becoming the mandatory guy that this board exults to God-like status when he's on, or wants to fire out of cannon into the sun when he's off. The truth, like most things, is in between.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't if that quite constitutes obliterated.

I really like Kreider, but he's quickly becoming the mandatory guy that this board exults to God-like status when he's on, or wants to fire out of cannon into the sun when he's off. The truth, like most things, is in between.

"When he's on"

So, always?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Speaking only for myself, wanting to trade him and thinking there is a 50 percent chance he is traded within the next 11 months are separate concepts.

Still not convinced he or Zibanejad isn't moved.

IMO, I feel like those chances have gone down. I don't think they're gone. But, I think Gorton can look at how both players have looked and given himself more time. I might move the timetable to the trade deadline, as you've suggested.

 

[Machinehead]

This is a total fabrication

This thread is going to be solid bump material the next time he misses a few chances and goes a few games without a point.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Anybody watching this team and the difference between no kreider and with kreider would be crazy to trade him unless its massive overpayment. Like i said if our goal is to tank next year trade kreider. If you wanna be competitive and make the playoffs keep him.

You keep him no matter what. I can't think of anything more idiotic than trading him just to make your team worse to get a better chance in the lottery and not even thinking about his potential impact in future seasons.

 

[Ghost of jas]

This thread is going to be solid bump material the next time he misses a few chances and goes a few games without a point.

Just keep track of who is saying those things, as opposed to those of us who are fans of his game.

 

[NYR]

Little bit of bad luck. The discrepancy between his expected goals and actual goals before the concussion was pretty comical.

Also, neither he or Kreider are particularly good passers.

Unless you put yourself in a stupid position(keeping your head down), injuries are "bad luck".
The rest is just excuses IMO..

 

[Edge]

"When he's on"

So, always?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You all wanted to trade Kreider two weeks ago

Discussing what he could bring back in a trade doesn't mean that everyone wanted to trade him lmao.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I don't if that quite constitutes obliterated.

I really like Kreider, but he's quickly becoming the mandatory guy that this board exults to God-like status when he's on, or wants to fire out of cannon into the sun when he's off. The truth, like most things, is in between.

It all depends upon who's doing the shouting. On this board, Kreider is considered an elite analytics player. Anyone who puts stock in those numbers will continue to be fans. The eyetest crowd wants production.

 

[Edge]

IMO, I feel like those chances have gone down. I don't think tehy're gone. But, I think Gorton can look at how both players have looked and given himself more time. I might move the timetable to the trade deadline, as you've suggested.

I tend to agree.

It's more of a curiosity to see how the organization approaches it.

 

[Edge]

It all depends upon who's doing the shouting.On this board, Kreider is considered an elite analytics player. Anyone who puts stock in those numbers will continue to be fans. The eyetest crowd wants production.

Analytics certainly has its place. Though I'm still amused by the people who have adopted it as their religion.

 

[eco's bones]

Brooks saying the Rangers are considering bringing up Chytil and Andersson for the Caps game.

 

[bl02]

Sometimes I think people here have a personal vendetta against Zibby.

Why cause some of us mention him in trade talk? Our best forward is mentioned in trade talk way more than he is.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hasn't been mentioned in here but I thought Sproul had a pretty strong game.

 

[Machinehead]

Discussing what he could bring back in a trade doesn't mean that everyone wanted to trade him lmao.

If it's akin to that one post in the MLB thread about Gary Sanchez being traded, then sure.

 

[Machinehead]

Hasn't been mentioned in here but I thought Sproul had a pretty strong game.

He did.

 

[bl02]

Speaking only for myself, wanting to trade him and thinking there is a 50 percent chance he is traded within the next 11 months are separate concepts.

Still not convinced he or Zibanejad isn't moved.

What do we do next year at the center position if both Chytil and Lias are ready? I'm ok with Zibby-Hayes-Chytil-Lias down the middle. Would playing 4th line center be ok for Lias' development?