Value of: Colton Parayko

[Stealth JD]

Not saying Parayko or Draisaitl deserve mention in the following lists, but both undoubtedly have #1-upside at their position. With that in mind, who would you rather have for their career:

Yzerman or Lidstrom
Getzlaf or Pronger
Sakic or Stevens
Hawerchuk or Leetch
Roenick or Chelios
Toews or Keith
Modano or MacInnis
Gilmour or Coffey
Messier or Bourque
Stamkos or Hedman
Dionne or Robinson

Unless the #1C is Gretzky or Lemieux-caliber, the #1D is tough to argue against. I doubt St. Louis would do a straight-up swap of these 2 guys...but the value is probably reasonable.

 

[zar]

Even the biased fans agree which is always the hard part.

At this point I think Parayko would be a luxury

Truly Draisaitl is a luxury... to have a 3C like LD is a luxury... one not needed when you have such a gaping hole on your backend.

The Oilers #1 need is a RHD. Parayko very well should be a 1RHD in short order and at worst a very high-level 2RHD. Draisaitl is the same... very well should be a 1C but would be a very high-level 2C at worst.

Blues need a 1C or a player with a strong possibility of becoming a 1C. Oilers need a top 4 RHD to either be a 2nd pairing behind Larsson or possibly even outplay Larsson and become a 1st pairing RHD... Parayko is that player.

Seems like a trade made i heaven, but because they are both so early in their career the GMs are reluctant to pull the trigger. The difference too is that the Blues much more stable and have less pressure on them, whereas the Oilers are in a pressure cooker and need to see significant improvement now. The trade for Draisaitl could be the move that finally vaults the Blues into a Cup final. The trade for Parayko could make the Oilers a team to be reckoned with for a very long time.

 

[carter333167]

Not saying Parayko or Draisaitl deserve mention in the following lists, but both undoubtedly have #1-upside at their position. With that in mind, who would you rather have for their career:

Yzerman or Lidstrom
Getzlaf or Pronger
Sakic or Stevens
Hawerchuk or Leetch
Roenick or Chelios
Toews or Keith
Modano or MacInnis
Gilmour or Coffey
Messier or Bourque
Stamkos or Hedman
Dionne or Robinson

Unless the #1C is Gretzky or Lemieux-caliber, the #1D is tough to argue against. I doubt St. Louis would do a straight-up swap of these 2 guys...but the value is probably reasonable.

Agreed...the Blues probably would stand pat.

Most HF'ers have a bias for forwards but I get the sense that Hitch thinks D-Men first....particularly when it's a D-Man who might be a great scorer.

 

[carter333167]

There was a poll on the Blues board, which appears to have been since deleted for some reason, which asked the question around March/April: As a Blues fan, who would you rather have, Parayko or Matthews. It was around 60% in favor of Parayko. Let's not act like this was some lunatic-fringe portion of the board, or the vocal-minority. There were some sound, and logical explanations for choosing the stud-D over the stud-C.

...but that discussion is for another time and place.

Yes, there was that poll and Blues Fans slightly favored having Parayko over Matthews.

 

[Draiskull]

Agreed...the Blues probably would stand pat.

Most HF'ers have a bias for forwards but I get the sense that Hitch thinks D-Men first....particularly when it's a D-Man who might be a great scorer.

arent you guys actively looking to dump such a creature?

 

[TT1]

Draisaitl for Parayko straight up seems like fair value.

Personally i'd rather have Parayko, i value big minute eating 2way dmen very highly.

 

[tony d]

Ottawa offers a 2017 1st and/or Colin White for Parayko.

 

[carter333167]

arent you guys actively looking to dump such a creature?

Said creature was bad in the D-Zone last year...great teammate and a loyal Blue but different animal.

 

[Draiskull]

Yes, there was that poll and Blues Fans slightly favored having Parayko over Matthews.

so homers?

Was there ever one for McDavid vs Parayko ? Crosby?

Parayko vs XX polls on your team page doesnt factor our the homers.. Do it on public board and see things from a neutral (somewhat) eye.

I wouldnt really boast about how my team board overvalues a player of its team.

 

[Draiskull]

Said creature was bad in the D-Zone last year...great teammate and a loyal Blue but different animal.

was he really? I thought he stepped up nicely when Pie was out.
I guess you guys would know more.

 

[carter333167]

so homers?

Was there ever one for McDavid vs Parayko ? Crosby?

Parayko vs XX polls on your team page doesnt factor our the homers.. Do it on public board and see things from a neutral (somewhat) eye.

I wouldnt really boast about how my team board overvalues a player of its team.

A poll is simply a subjective view on which player you believe is more important to the success of the team....and I wasn't bragging...I was just pointing out that there was a poll.

I hope Drai is incredible for the Oilers.

 

[carter333167]

was he really? I thought he stepped up nicely when Pie was out.
I guess you guys would know more.

I thought you were referring to Shatty who had probably the worst defensive play of his most recent years. Parayko did play very well defensively, particularly when Petro was out.

 

[Draiskull]

I thought you were referring to Shatty who had probably the worst defensive play of his most recent years. Parayko did play very well defensively, particularly when Petro was out.

I was talking about Shattenkirk.. I thought he stepped up and played the top pairing role just fine. Edmonton radio had analysts from STL discussing that at that time. Maybe they were trying to upsell the guy

 

[Dbrownss]

was he really? I thought he stepped up nicely when Pie was out.
I guess you guys would know more.

He started to slightly struggle during the last few games before Pietrangelo came back. This is also when Boumeester was still struggling. Shattenkirk needs an high level LHD to play the top pairing at least from what he's shown us.


As for the poll. I can't remember exactly when it was made but for some reason, I'm thinking it was pre-draft and Matthews was considered a step behind Eichel. So basically we wanted an Eichel level player for Parayko. Guys like McDavid just are in their own realm when it comes to value

 

[Draiskull]

A poll is simply a subjective view on which player you believe is more important to the success of the team....and I wasn't bragging...I was just pointing out that there was a poll.

I hope Drai is incredible for the Oilers.

There are a lot of polls on teams' pages.. On Oilers page Brandon Davidson can probably win a poll against Alexander Steen .. Doesnt mean it would fly on the main boards and i certainly shouldnt be boasting about it.

 

[carter333167]

I was talking about Shattenkirk.. I thought he stepped up and played the top pairing role just fine. Edmonton radio had analysts from STL discussing that at that time. Maybe they were trying to upsell the guy

Blues' fans opinions can vary from player to player but I think he had a very rough year defensively, particularly in the playoffs. Shatty was minus 14 in the regular season while Parayko was plus 28.

Honestly, Shatty's play in the D-Zone last year is one of the main reasons I think we must keep Parayko...he is already very reliable defensively which will allow Hitch to avoid burning out Petro at 28-30 minutes a game. Parayko and Petro will have a synergistic effect on each other.

 

[Draiskull]

Blues' fans opinions can vary from player to player but I think he had a very rough year defensively, particularly in the playoffs. Shatty was minus 14 in the regular season while Parayko was plus 28.

Honestly, Shatty's play in the D-Zone last year is one of the main reasons I think we must keep Parayko...he is already very reliable defensively which will allow Hitch to avoid burning out Petro at 28-30 minutes a game. Parayko and Petro will have a synergistic effect on each other.

Fair enough.. I like the kid and hope he picks up the slack offensively once Shattenkirk is shipped away. He(Parayko) is still a clear tier or 2 below Pietrangelo for me but that gap should close in time.

 

[LTIR]

To EDM: Parayko + Lehtera (Drai's C replacement)
To STL: Draisaitl + Fayne (parayko's RD replacement)

 

[Dbrownss]

Fair enough.. I like the kid and hope he picks up the slack offensively once Shattenkirk is shipped away. He(Parayko) is still a clear tier or 2 below Pietrangelo for me but that gap should close in time.

Parayko was strange...while on the 3rd pairing his offense dried up, but while filling in on the 2nd pairing he produced fairly well. If he's a cornerstone on the PP, he'll put up some very good numbers.

To EDM: Parayko + Lehtera (Drai's C replacement)
To STL: Draisaitl + Fayne (parayko's RD replacement)

Blues do not need a replacment.

 

[carter333167]

Parayko's offense should develop but will really just be gravy to his true strength which is very consistent defensive play. Some D-men have nice peaks in their defensive games but also hit valleys and have lapses. Those lapses can cost you a goal or two in a tight playoff game.

Parayko is uber consistent in his positioning and D-Zone play...very predictable..which is why I believe Hitch went out of character on placing heavy reliance on a rookie.

He also has very good speed after a stride or two which allows him to recover on something like a missed pinch. I think his recovery ability (b/c of his speed) is the best of all of our D-Men.

 

[Stealth JD]

There are a lot of polls on teams' pages.. On Oilers page Brandon Davidson can probably win a poll against Alexander Steen .. Doesnt mean it would fly on the main boards and i certainly shouldnt be boasting about it.

Team-board polls do have an element of homer-ism...but main board polls are equally as flawed being driven by name-recognition, draft-position and hype. Why dismiss the result of a poll done by the fans who are undoubtedly the most-knowledgable about said player? Is it so hard to believe that fans can be objective and level-headed when discussing players with whom they're familiar? I'd think it speaks more to the collective opinion of Parayko than the quantity of crazies on the Blues board...but that's just me.

 

[ujju2]

I agree with Draisaitl.

 

[MessierII]

Putting aside what HFPosters say on the issue, I don't think DA would move Parayko for Drai.

Hitch's system depends on reliable defensive play from his D-Men and Parayko was pretty much a savior for Hitch last year (particularly b/c Shatty had such a bad year defensively). Parayko, as a rookie, was probably the second best D-Man on the team. Adding Drai but losing Parayko is a pretty big net loss for the Blues as a team IMO.

Considering Parayko's impact as a rookie and his already strong relationship with the Blues brass, I think it would take an established PPG forward or a prospect who is almost guaranteed to be that good to get the Blues thinking....not arguing value here...just saying the Blues already know what they have in Parayko and probably have a comfortable internal sense of his floor and his ceiling.

Isn't hitch done after this year?

 

[Spektre]

Isn't hitch done after this year?

Yes this is Hitch's last year.

 

[Ranksu]

This is not an advocation of trading Parayko. Shattenkirk is the odd man out and I personally think he'll be dealt at the TDL.

But, theoretically if the Blues made Parayko available what would your team be willing to part with? The Blues' obvious need is a #1 C / elite C prospect.

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