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[Tryamw]

It should be, it wasn't a "deflection" because he threw his arm up at it

And you can't deflect a play from your own guy

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

@AhosDatsyukian What a streak, Captain! Even if all good things must come to an end.

 

[CandyCanes]

Jarvis 25% on the face off dot this year takes the most important face off of the game???

Roslovic 56% on the dot so far this year. Also your leading goal scorer. Maybe should have been on the ice and taking that faceoff.

Oh well, we were bound to lose one. Was a great run

 

[tarheelhockey]

Regarding the puck out of bounds play, I don’t want to see that kind of play get called a penalty. The player who got hit with the puck clearly never controlled it, he just jerked his arm and deflected it up in the air. That kind of play isn’t what the rule is intended to penalize.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So, I did some Google searching

23-24:
0/2 in GI challenges
3/3 in offside challenges
0/1 in stoppage challenge

We also lost 9 goals due to challenges by other teams

22-23:
1/2 in GI
2/2 in offside
No stoppage challenges

We lost 4 goals due to challenges by other teams

21-22:
2/3 in GI
No other challenges this year

We lost 2 goals

19-20 (no record on the 20-21 season):
3/4 in GI
2/2 in offside
We lost 3 goals due to other teams challenges, but gained 2 on challenges ourselves.

18/19:
0/6(!) in GI
3/3 in offside

We lost only 1 goal due to a challenge by another team.

Full credit to Scouting the Refs for this.

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So based off the data that we have , Rod is (at least) 6/18 on goalie interference calls (including tonight), but a perfect 10/10 on offside calls.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

So, I did some Google searching




Full credit to Scouting the Refs for this.

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So based off the data that we have , Rod is (at least) 6/18 on goalie interference calls (including tonight), but a perfect 10/10 on offside calls.

Makes sense. OFFSIDE IS OR IS NOT. IT’S PRECISE. EXACT.

GOALIE INTERFERENCE HAS CONSISTENCY OF FIGURE SKATING COMPETITIONS. IT IS BASED ON FEELSIES.

 

[hockeynjune]

Mine are indoor only though my mouser was feral.
Just wish I could trim his nails. My legs would thank me

He’s our barn cat but comes inside a lot now. Old guy is 16. He
once went missing for about 3 months in the NOVA mtns on our other farm. Came home a little rough looking but healthy.
Tough old bird.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Makes sense. OFFSIDE IS OR IS NOT. IT’S PRECISE. EXACT.

GOALIE INTERFERENCE HAS CONSISTENCY OF FIGURE SKATING COMPETITIONS. IT IS BASED ON FEELSIES.

While that is true, with a record like that, and his self-admitted confusion about what actually constitutes GI, he might be better served not challenging unless it is blatantly obvious.

 

[zman77]

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[Ole Gil]

While that is true, with a record like that, and his self-admitted confusion about what actually constitutes GI, he might be better served not challenging unless it is blatantly obvious.

It's probably (hopefully) analytics based as well.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

It's probably (hopefully) analytics based as well.

I mean, he apparently challenged last night because they had a still frame of McKinnon’s skate touching Martin’s, and so he assumed it’d be GI because of that.

From my point of view, while it’s true that McKinnon’s skate did touch Martin, it was after the shot got past Martin (or at least close enough that it didn’t prevent Martin from making a save).

Add in that:

- It was a deflection goal that Martin likely had little chance on saving anyway (not that that SHOULD matter, but being a judgment call, it probably does)
- It was called a goal on the ice, so it’d need to be VERY obvious to overturn it
- The Avs had all the momentum, so that even if it WERE somehow overturned, it wouldn’t have had a profound impact.

IMO, the risk of giving them a PP wasn’t worth the reward, given how difficult it would have been to overturn the call on the ice.

 

[Ole Gil]

IMO, the risk of giving them a PP wasn’t worth the reward, given how difficult it would have been to overturn the call on the ice.

This is probably the math part some number cruncher has already done.

The play itself, the Colorado announcers thought it was going to be no goal. So it didn't seem like a complete hail mary.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I guess to be fair, outside of that 0/6 season, it’s basically been a coin flip every time. Which is probably to be expected when the rule is based entirely on how those particular officials/people in Toronto feel at the time.

So I guess my complaint would be choosing the right time to challenge. Determine whether the team could afford another PK if the coin flip doesn’t go your way. Which they may have done, but considering Rod called the non-GI call the “pivotal moment in the game”, it seems like allowing a “pivotal moment in the game” to be determined by the officials and not your team often leads to losses.

 

[HisIceness]

Well if we can't win in Denver, maybe we should just, I don't know

 

[the halleJOKEL]

I guess to be fair, outside of that 0/6 season, it’s basically been a coin flip every time. Which is probably to be expected when the rule is based entirely on how those particular officials/people in Toronto feel at the time.

So I guess my complaint would be choosing the right time to challenge. Determine whether the team could afford another PK if the coin flip doesn’t go your way. Which they may have done, but considering Rod called the non-GI call the “pivotal moment in the game”, it seems like allowing a “pivotal moment in the game” to be determined by the officials and not your team often leads to losses.

wasn't the 0/6 season before the penalty for a failed challenge was added? a lot of those were probably "free timeout" challenges with no hope of succeeding

 

[Blueline Bomber]

wasn't the 0/6 season before the penalty for a failed challenge was added? a lot of those were probably "free timeout" challenges with no hope of succeeding

You know, you might be right. I didn't consider that

 

[bleedgreen]

I haven’t had a lot of luck over the years in Denver so I’ll take the blame.

Martin did not have confidence and did not exude the vibes of a winning goaltender from the get go. When he was getting picked apart in warmups he was getting emotional, you could see him getting frustrated and looking to the heavens when some got past him. Usually a confident goalie could give two shits about what gets past him in warmups. Dude needs more action if we’re going to use him, he’s nowhere near a groove.

The Avs are icing a minor league forward lineup, essentially the entire bottom six. That should’ve been a walk in the park, but the X factor mattered last night. Mack and Makar are champions. They’ve played like that since the day they arrived, whether they had success early or not. Those two can carry a team with Individual play and can bend bad games to their will. We had no answers for either one. The first period we scrubbed the floor with them, the crowd was embarrassed and had no idea what hit them. They are clueless about the Canes. The group I was with had the air let out of them.

Then the ice tilted and the big dogs showed up. That’s the power of superstar talent right there. It wasn’t even pretty, it was forcing the game to go in another direction by any means necessary. We had no answer for either of them, it was like they were in our minds and playing Jedi minds tricks. Mack winning/stripping a puck by pure will and making Ghost jump in the wrong direction in person was like Mcdavid on Reilly with the crossover dribble, only it was will vs pure skill.

Third period was a slog. We came out ready to tie it up but they slowed it down. Necas couldn’t get free in the third.

I saw one play with Aho all game. Stripped a puck along the boards and fed Necas for a chance. That’s it. Most invisible game I’ve seen from him live. Slavin looked tired and slow, a few of his plays ended up in turnovers. Ghost didnt have a great night.

Martinook looked like an all star and was all heart leading the way. My friend who mildly watches the Canes was blown away by him. He deserved to be on the first line. KK was battling, I gave him an internal thumbs up, and I’m generally over him. Forward group played like they could make the perfect play to score/win, when Staal’s line has shown all season what actually works.

They talk about the size of the dog in the fight being irrelevant compared to the size of the fight in the dog. That’s Mack and Makar. I really like our team this year, more than I’ve liked us in two or three years. We play this system really well so far. We still don’t have that fight. Not enough anyways. Martinook can’t do it alone.

One game, the streak had to die. Now go prove it wasn’t a fluke and we’re really that good.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I haven’t had a lot of luck over the years in Denver so I’ll take the blame.

Well, to be fair, neither have the Canes. And as someone pointed out last night, it’s ALWAYS their superstars that destroy us.

Nate has 7 goals, 15 assists in 20 games against us.
Makar has 3 goals, 3 assists in 8 games against us.
Rantanen has 7 goals, 8 assists in 15 games against us.

To compare:

Aho has 4 goals, 7 assists in 14 games against Colorado
Necas has 5 goals, 3 assists in 9 games
Svech has 4 goals, 2 assists in 9 games

And (I might be mistaken), I believe the last time we played Colorado in Colorado, they ALSO had another 5-goal 2nd period.

 

[Joe McGrath]

And you can't deflect a play from your own guy

I disagree

 

[bleedgreen]

Well, to be fair, neither have the Canes. And as someone pointed out last night, it’s ALWAYS their superstars that destroy us.

Nate has 7 goals, 15 assists in 20 games against us.
Makar has 3 goals, 3 assists in 8 games against us.
Rantanen has 7 goals, 8 assists in 15 games against us.

To compare:

Aho has 4 goals, 7 assists in 14 games against Colorado
Necas has 5 goals, 3 assists in 9 games
Svech has 4 goals, 2 assists in 9 games

And (I might be mistaken), I believe the last time we played Colorado in Colorado, they ALSO had another 5-goal 2nd period.

Yup. Thats probably the main point from my previous post. Their stars are enough to take a game away from us, and they do. It’s a credit to them. You always hear about needing your best players to be the best players. The Avs get that from their stars. It isn’t always consistent throughout the year for them, but they always seem to find it against us.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I didn't watch this game but I'm gonna chalk the loss up to Martin not being an NHL goalie.


Also, the "ing" mojo still exists when used on the team's name rather than location so we have that in our back pocket for later in the year/playoffs when we need to go streaking again.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

It’s cool. Fly in to altitude the day of against a team with some of the highest performing stars in the league and throw your 3rd stringer in against them. Tip the cap and move on.

 

[baconandbread]

While Martin wasn't the sole reason we lost he seemed shaky throughout imo. That being said their superstars were just that and our best most consistent player has been MIA this year so far.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I didn't watch this game but I'm gonna chalk the loss up to Martin not being an NHL goalie.


Also, the "ing" mojo still exists when used on the team's name rather than location so we have that in our back pocket for later in the year/playoffs when we need to go streaking again.

I ruined it with my suggestion. I'm a jinx lately...I've gone to both of the Checkers 2 losses this year (6-0-1 when I don't watch). This was the first West Coast game I got to watch in full. Every State football game I've watched was a loss. Hurricanes are the only team I've actually seen win lately lol

 

[bleedgreen]

While Martin wasn't the sole reason we lost he seemed shaky throughout imo. That being said their superstars were just that and our best most consistent player has been MIA this year so far.

Agreed, but it is nice to have that player be ppg despite not really being himself. He’s had slow starts before so it’s hard to be worried yet. This is the best possible situation overall for him to have his slow start. We haven’t needed him and we obviously will later.

And to close the book on the snow storm, it’s 50 degrees and sunny (so it feels like 60) like most Colorado winter days and half the snow is gone already. It’s like the gods decided it was time for this streak to end and got to work a week ago.