Collapse of the PAC-12: Oregon State & Washington State left in the dust

[BattleBorn]

Mizzou and Vandy aint leaving. Nobody's leaving the SEC.

In fact, the SEC is importing a Mizzou rival, which would only serve to help further entrench both.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Mizzou-OU isn't as big a rivalry as OU-Texas.

And schools have left the SEC before. Sewanee did it, Georgia Tech did it, and Tulane did it. So nothing is off the table.

 

[GKJ]

Mizzou-OU isn't as big a rivalry as OU-Texas.

And schools have left the SEC before. Sewanee did it, Georgia Tech did it, and Tulane did it. So nothing is off the table.

That may as well have been the Age of Enlightenment when those schools left. Ancient times.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Alongside an admission of Missouri and Vanderbilt as full members, the Big Ten should admit Arizona State in men's ice hockey, Florida in women's lacrosse (which Vanderbilt also sponsors), and Utah in men's lacrosse as associate members. All three are AAU. A current Big Ten associate, Notre Dame (men's ice hockey), just got admitted into the AAU this year, leaving Nebraska as the only Big Ten member in any capacity without AAU membership.

 

[BattleBorn]

Mizzou-OU isn't as big a rivalry as OU-Texas.

And schools have left the SEC before. Sewanee did it, Georgia Tech did it, and Tulane did it. So nothing is off the table.

It's Original Big 8. Arky got to claim aTm as old school SWC when they joined and pretend it was an old school rivalry, we get Okie.

Regardless of what you want, Missouri is an SEC school and every class of 18 year olds that enters all the SEC schools know that, so it's just a fight against time. Nobody's leaving.

 

[PCSPounder]

Would be willing to bet that Pacific sees dropping football as a mistake.

Nah. That community could hardly be bothered to watch when a Pac-10 school played them IN Stockton. At best, they’d have ended up in the post-apocalypse WAC and given up football at that point.

The WCC has proven to be more their speed.

 

[PCSPounder]

It made sense for Idaho to go BACK to FCS because with 11,000 students they were one of the smallest FBS schools, and their stadium seats 16,000, also among the smallest. The NCAA's attendance rules for FBS put them in serious jeopardy of being forcibly sent down anyway.

The reason Idaho is the "First school to VOLUNTARILY drop to FCS" is because all the others were FORCED down by NCAA rules (most notably the MVC and nearly the MAC).

MVC? Were they?

I get the sense, after every opportunity the NCAA had to force schools down in the last 30 years, that they NEVER enforced their guidelines. Idaho was only forced down by neglect, not by edict. Just some of the fecklessness of the NCAA at work. HOWEVER, a reminder that the NCAA is an organization of their member institutions that can easily be punished for grossly overreaching membership restrictions.

 

[PCSPounder]

There are now plenty of AAU schools in the SEC. Including two of the most gigantic research universities in the nation. These are not strong incentives - not when you are already in the SEC. Vanderbilt has been in the SEC for 90 years. They are damn lucky to be at the big dog table right now. They aren’t going to jeopardize that by complaining about anything. Neither of these schools are going to risk prime spots they already have over inane stuff like “oh gosh the Big Ten has a few more AAU schools”.

The B1G does not need or want Mizzou or Vandy.

Fox and ESPN have no incentive to have these schools switch either.

This is illogical talk.

You can either get an aneurysm trying to talk sense with a naive dreamer…

…or you can get one by following me into the morass of “violent overthrow of cartel sports infrastructure.” I argue I’m at least more fun.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Nah. That community could hardly be bothered to watch when a Pac-10 school played them IN Stockton. At best, they’d have ended up in the post-apocalypse WAC and given up football at that point.

The WCC has proven to be more their speed.

The WCC just lost BYU in a football-driven move, and Gonzaga and Saint Mary's could be on their way out next.

Ideally, they would be part of a new conference that would also include the Midwestern schools in the Big East and A-10, plus Detroit Mercy of the Horizon League and Valparaiso of the MVC. It would be an attempt to create a Midwestern basketball-centric conference of similar strength to the Big Ten, and ESPN could use that conference to replace the Big Ten.

I imagine the WCC reacts by adding California Baptist and Grand Canyon from the WAC (Seattle joins the MW instead because of their market and the ability to offset Hawaii's FB-only status), plus D2 schools Chaminade, Hawaii Pacific, and Seattle Pacific. CBU would be first Baptist and Inland Empire institution in WCC, Grand Canyon the first Arizona and for-profit school, Chaminade and Hawaii Pacific the first Hawaii-based schools, and HPU would be first school never to hold a religious affiliation.

Losing BYU was bad enough, but departures of Gonzaga and Saint Mary's would be enough to ensure that the WCC becomes a one-bid league for good.

 

[mouser]

CBS has the Big Ten now and will lose the SEC next year, so they would see Mizzou and Vandy switching to the Big Ten as trolling both ESPN (who produces CFB and other sports on ABC) and the SEC. CBS would want this to happen.

The Big Ten should want that Southern presence too. Vandy is more realistic than grabbing an ACC school now. If Mizzou and Vandy left for the Big Ten next year they wouldn't have to pay a massive penalty to the SEC.

It‘s very difficult to take any of your opinions seriously when you think the B1G would have any interest at all in Missouri or Vanderbilt. Missouri begged the B1G to take them for years after Nebraska joined, the B1G said No and nothing has changed since then to make Missouri more attractive to the B1G.

The B1G will be hunting much bigger fish next time they go to sea.

 

[TheLegend]

 

[DaveG]

It‘s very difficult to take any of your opinions seriously when you think the B1G would have any interest at all in Missouri or Vanderbilt. Missouri begged the B1G to take them for years after Nebraska joined, the B1G said No and nothing has changed since then to make Missouri more attractive to the B1G.

The B1G will be hunting much bigger fish next time they go to sea.

yep. UNC and FSU are the white whale this next round for the B1G, and my guess is Clemson and UVA will be along for the ride. Not sure if the B1G gets all 4, but they'll be going after all 4. SEC may try to hold their territory with FSU and Clemson, while adding NCSU and VT if UNC and UVA go to the B1G.

 

[PCSPounder]

II’m trying to get these numbers right. Please advise if revision is needed.

Most Mountain West schools get $3.5 million per year from the combination of CBS (CBSSN) and Fox (FS1/2). Boise State gets $5 million.

My prediction: Oregon State and Washington State will be lucky to get Boise State money.

And I’m reminded of what the Steelers owner once told Lynn Swann upon signing a big contract: you can’t overpay a good player. You can overpay a mediocre/bad player.

It seems most sports fans adhere to ”the rising tide lifts all boats” phrase. This scene isn’t that.

 

[GKJ]

II’m trying to get these numbers right. Please advise if revision is needed.

Most Mountain West schools get $3.5 million per year from the combination of CBS (CBSSN) and Fox (FS1/2). Boise State gets $5 million.

My prediction: Oregon State and Washington State will be lucky to get Boise State money.

And I’m reminded of what the Steelers owner once told Lynn Swann upon signing a big contract: you can’t overpay a good player. You can overpay a mediocre/bad player.

It seems most sports fans adhere to ”the rising tide lifts all boats” phrase. This scene isn’t that.

I don’t believe the new deal puts Boise on a different level.

 

[Seattle King]

Would be willing to bet that Pacific sees dropping football as a mistake.

Have you been to Stockton? Sadly, I have. Sitting outside for two hours is hazardous to your health. The stench is beyond words. The amount of ammonia in the air from all of the cow by-products makes your eyes water constantly. I dont know how anyone can live there, much less function on a football field.

 

[PCSPounder]

Stanford, Cal, SMU catch last train into the Power Four, but it's hardly the end of conference realignment

With four superconferences, realignment may be paused, but it's certainly not over

www.cbssports.com

We can talk about ”ideal” all we want, but “reduction” is what’s on the minds of media entities that mostly fund these things.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

I think the ACC will request Cal and Stanford move their annual game to Levi's Stadium. Same with the Big Ten for the UCLA-USC game moving to SoFi Stadium and Indiana-Purdue to Lucas Oil Stadium.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

It‘s very difficult to take any of your opinions seriously

The man lives on another planet.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The man lives on another planet.

Truth

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Right now, here's what the Big 12 football scheduling format should be assuming OrSU and Wazzu still don't make it in:

There would be four pods of four teams that would play each other every year:

Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Utah
Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech
Cincinnati, Iowa State, UCF, West Virginia
Colorado, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Each pod would be assigned another pod on a rotating 6-year schedule, such that all non-protected games get played at least once over four years, and exactly twice over 6 years, thus resulting in a seven game conference schedule.

If an 11th-hour miracle happens and OrSU and Wazzu are somehow invited into the Big 12, then this would change.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

The ACC should then give each of its football playing schools 6 protected opponents and 2 rotating on a 10-year schedule (so that a player would see all but two ACC schools during their four-year career, 14 is pretty high a number here), with the protected matchups being these:

Boston College: Clemson, Miami, Pitt, SMU, Stanford, Syracuse
California: Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, Pitt, Stanford
Clemson: Boston College, Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State, SMU, Virginia
Duke: Louisville, North Carolina, NC State, Syracuse, Stanford, Wake Forest
Florida State: California, Clemson, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Virginia
Georgia Tech: California, Clemson, Pitt, SMU, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Duke, Florida State, Pitt, SMU, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami: Boston College, Florida State, Pitt, Stanford, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
North Carolina: California, Duke, NC State, SMU, Virginia, Wake Forest
NC State: California, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Pitt: Boston College, California, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, Syracuse
SMU: Boston College, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Stanford: Boston College, California, Duke, Miami, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Boston College, Duke, Miami, Pitt, Stanford, Virginia Tech
Virginia: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, Syracuse, Virginia, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, SMU, Stanford, Virginia Tech

All Tobacco Road match-ups would be protected as would the round-robin between the Northeast schools and Miami.

The reduction of conference games in the Big 12 to 7 and the ACC staying at 8 would give SMU and TCU incentive to continue their rivalry beyond 2025.

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Of note is that three of my Big 12 pods are groups of 4 schools who were together in a conference at some point prior to the Supreme Court's Oklahoma decision in 1984. One is four former WAC schools, one is four former SWC schools, and one is schools who were together in the Big 12 back when it was called the Big 8.

 

[End of Line]

I think the ACC will request Cal and Stanford move their annual game to Levi's Stadium. Same with the Big Ten for the UCLA-USC game moving to SoFi Stadium and Indiana-Purdue to Lucas Oil Stadium.

 

[Sparty]

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ABT....always be trolling

 

[McJedi]

Isn't Pac-12 the better and bigger conference? I don't really watch a lot of college sports, but I would rate the conferences based on what I gather as...

1. Big 10
2. SEC
3. Pac-12
4. Big 12
5. ACC

Maybe CU was just too bad and had to go to an easier conference?

More like

SEC
BIG 10

ACC

Big 12

Nothing else of consequence.