Rumor: Colin White in play (Bruce Garrioch)

[Richard88]

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[Richard88]

 

[Michoulicious]

Of course he's in play. Always has been, with that fugly contract.

Problem is nobody wants him.

 

[BruinsBtn]

I'll laugh so hard if someone trades for that anchor of a contract.

 

[belair]

I'll laugh so hard if someone trades for that anchor of a contract.

That anchor of a contract could end up as a very manageable buyout.

If Dorion wants more physicality in his lineup, I'd be more than happy to move Kassian for him. I can't see why Ottawa would do that though. But his two previous trades would suggest that he doesn't give AF.

 

[Stuzchuk]

I'll laugh so hard if someone trades for that anchor of a contract.

can be bought out at 1/3 though until June...

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[Richard88]

Does anyone seriously expect Melnyk to do a buyout?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Here's what I think could happen:

As posted above, a buyout to White would come at a cost of $5.25m. His deal has 3yrs remaining with 15.75m remaining. Depending on salary in return, I could see Ottawa retaining approx. 33.3% on White's contract - bringing his AAV to a far more manageable ~$3.2m. White is overpaid, but $3.2m is fair for what he brings & he does still have upside.

Does that much retention turn him into an asset? I would think so.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Does anyone seriously expect Melnyk to do a buyout?

5.25m over 6yrs is a lot more palatable than 15.75m over 3.

He spent more over a shorter period of time while owing less money to Bobby Ryan, so no clue why this would be summarily "off the table"

 

[Richard88]

Here's what I think could happen:

As posted above, a buyout to White would come at a cost of $5.25m. His deal has 3yrs remaining with 15.75m remaining. Depending on salary in return, I could see Ottawa retaining approx. 33.3% on White's contract - bringing his AAV to a far more manageable ~$3.2m. White is overpaid, but $3.2m is fair for what he brings & he does still have upside.

Does that much retention turn him into an asset? I would think so.

Wouldn't Ottawa (i.e. Melnyk) rather just give up a pick or give him up cheap to avoid having to retain?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Never been that high on White going back to his USA hockey days.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Wouldn't Ottawa (i.e. Melnyk) rather just give up a pick or give him up cheap to avoid having to retain?

Maybe, who knows. We just retained on Paul to get what we deemed the best possible return. If anyone is gonna have a pick stapled to him in order to dump him, it'll be Zaitsev, I suspect. White is overpaid, but been decent the last two years and is loved by the guys.

Either way, I think the extent to which Melnyk's hands are in the pie is overstated/misunderstood.

 

[Richard88]

Maybe, who knows. We just retained on Paul to get what we deemed the best possible return. If anyone is gonna have a pick stapled to him in order to dump him, it'll be Zaitsev, I suspect. White is overpaid, but been decent the last two years and is loved by the guys.

Either way, I think the extent to which Melnyk's hands are in the pie is overstated/misunderstood.

Paul's remaining salary: $1.35m x 0.2 = $270k
Ottawa retained 44.5%, so that retention cost them $120,150.

Needless to say there's a huge difference in retaining ~$120k for a few months and retaining millions on a multi-year deal.

 

[egelband]

Would Ottawa retain?

I feel like that’s a dumb question…

 

[Neiler]

I think this would be a brilliant pickup for Arizona with where they're at right now. They could grab another asset by taking the contract and White is actually a pretty solid player. The only reason anyone speaks negatively about him is because he has a fat contract. He's an effective 2/3 liner.

Probably something like White + Tampa 2nd in exchange for a lesser pick. Personally I'd be fine if the sens kept him.

Editing to add Larsson could be an interesting fit here too instead of a pick.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Paul's remaining salary: $1.35m x 0.2 = $270k
Ottawa retained 44.5%, so that retention cost them $120,150.

Needless to say there's a huge difference in retaining ~$120k for a few months and retaining millions on a multi-year deal.

Sure, but every situation is unique. You didn't have a breakdown in response to my note about Bobby Ryan. If they are willing to buyout (which is a "maybe" to you & I), there is no logical reason why they wouldn't be open to retention.

I think this would be a brilliant pickup for Arizona with where they're at right now. They could grab another asset by taking the contract and White is actually a pretty solid player. The only reason anyone speaks negatively about him is because he has a fat contract. He's an effective 2/3 liner.

Probably something like White + Tampa 2nd in exchange for a lesser pick. Personally I'd be fine if the sens kept him.

He's an effective 2nd liner? Ehhhh.

He's a 3rd liner through & through. Good possession player, good around the net, and can advance the puck & forecheck well with his speed, but beyond that he is average at best at other aspects of the game. Below average physically, below average puck distributor, average shooter, average defensively, below average on face-offs.

I like White and defend him often but a 2nd liner he is not. Maybe one day but I doubt that is ever where you will want him.

 

[stempniaksen]

Can another team trade for him only to buy him out?

Scenario: Team A trades player X (overpaid) to the Senators for Colin White and buy-out White in the summer for 875k x 6

Team A ends up dumping a bad deal for an entirely reasonable buyout (saving money in the short term)
Sens end up with a cap dump on a shorter term and no dead money on the books.

That's basically the only scenario where I see a deal getting done today.

 

[BruinsBtn]

can be bought out at 1/3 though until June...

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Why would you trade for a guy to buy him out?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

5.25m over 6yrs is a lot more palatable than 15.75m over 3.

He spent more over a shorter period of time while owing less money to Bobby Ryan, so no clue why this would be summarily "off the table"

After this season, Armia and Byron combined have about 13 mill left.

Sens cap hit goes up. Byron's contract ends next season and can be dealt for an asset, also local kid.

Armia's contract goes as long as White's.

My suggestion would be Armia and Byron for White.

From a non sens perspective based solely on Melnyk being cheap, this increases their capital and lowers the actual monetary cost.

Buying White out is the cheapest option likely. Depends on how much they spend on top of the buyout to get a player to replace White.

 

[Stuzchuk]

Why would you trade for a guy to buy him out?

not actually this, meaning that I could see OTT retaining some $$ on the contract. White is a very useful defensive player, his offensive skills didnt develop the way the organization were expecting them to be but at 3.5M he's about on par with his contract.

If not happening, just buy him out at 875k for 6 years this summer

 

[SpezDispenser]

Does anyone seriously expect Melnyk to do a buyout?

Bought out Ryan and will buy out White this summer, almost without question

 

[McJedi]

Cannot possibly see the Avs interested in this bad contract Mr. Richard.

 

[CDJ]

Of course he’s in play, i think myself at league minimum is a more desirable trade chip

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think about that letter Sens fans got where his extension mentioned signing him was proof they were committed to their future. Can't trust anything anymore.

But it is worth mentioning he has a valuable contract if you're a contending team with a cap crunch.

 

[CupInSIX]

Good ol Garrioch providing some much needed entertainment on a stressful tdl Monday. Good on ya, Bruce.