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It could have been Timmons or Newhook. TB had an advantage because the Canuck’s 1st has more value than the Avs, it was a tough offer to beat.
Confirmed with Link: Coleman to Tampa Bay for 1st and Nolan Foote
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He'll have every opportunity to make the roster again. But he'll be in the AHL if not.
OmNomNom
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Forge
Blissfully Mediocre
I think most posters are lying if they say that they didn't expect him to do something in the NHL this season. So I do believe that expectations are extremely high that he makes the team next season.
beekay414
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100% guarantee that Smith is on the squad next year. No reason for him NOT to be now.
Emperoreddy
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The plan isn’t to be a perpetual 2nd WC 1st round exit. It’s to be a cup contender every year.
we can’t do that with this blueline. We don’t have enough prospects depth to build a contending blue line with what we currently have.
That is why we pulled the trigger.
we can’t do that with this blueline. We don’t have enough prospects depth to build a contending blue line with what we currently have.
That is why we pulled the trigger.
Hard to see Blake go, but man I was so worried we wouldn’t get the proper return. Have to say, extremely happy with the trade. Foote looks like he has high upside and might be the lottery winner of playing with Hughes since he seems like a finisher. The 1st rounder is an asset. Like many have stated I could see it being flipped for a d-man if the right situation presented itself.
If Muzzin wasn’t resigning in Toronto he’d be the target. But maybe the team will shock us with something this summer kind of like the Cory trade or Hall trade with the extra assets gained today.
If Muzzin wasn’t resigning in Toronto he’d be the target. But maybe the team will shock us with something this summer kind of like the Cory trade or Hall trade with the extra assets gained today.
OmNomNom
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For record, and ppl will disagree, but I think we'll all see Coleman's true potential in tb
I think he can crack 50 per season
I think he can crack 50 per season
Newhook is a markedly superior prospect to Foote, while Timmons has far lesser value.
Absolutely a possibility, and now that he will finally be on national television we could see Coleman get some Selke Trophy love.
Emperoreddy
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He still most likely doesn’t get PP time, and won’t be playing with their big big guns barring injuries.
I suspect he keeps doing what he is doing, which is still a lot.
It's pretty clear that the Devils are paving a path for Smith to be in the NHL next year. And we should keep in mind that the Devils are not done dealing blueliners -- Vatanen is certain to go at the deadline, Butcher is a possibility, and we're certain to hear PK Subban's name pop up in several rumors leading up to the draft in June. The Devils' D has long needed an overhaul, and the Greene trade is certainly an indicator that it's an imminent possibility.
MachoDiablo
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Man, this all really demonstrates the importance the league places now on years of control, even just one extra. Rentals aren't going to cut it if you're looking for a significant return (though Arizona fading a bit definitely helps the Hall trade), and it encourages teams like the Devils to cash in on someone like Coleman with that little bit of extra time remaining.
The more I read about this deal, the more I like it. Foote looks like the real deal and sounds like a great compliment to our young centers, and the 1st being VAN's is a very welcome surprise. More than that, add me to the list of people agreeing that, much as Pickles was rightly loved, he simply wasn't a lock to be here the next time the team is competitive, and the right thing to do in that case is to trade him while he's at his apex of value to hasten the overall rebuild. As it's been said, it's "like getting two first rounders", and that's a sure-fire deal.
Plus, yeah, I can buy that the club is a couple of decent D-men and a solid backup away from being competitive (the youth on the club has a decent chance to step forward next year, which would make it all easier), but there's a big gap between competing for a playoff spot and contending for a title, and I've had fears that the former would be as far as we could get in the next few years. Now, with a deal like this and maybe a Vats deal, we're looking at piling up a lot of high picks in a deep draft to follow up last year's really solid draft, and building the type of internal system depth that's needed to build a real Cup contender, THEN allows you to compliment with smart free agent signings or trades for veterans.
Building around Hughes, Nico, and Blackwood is smart, and Coleman simply isn't likely to be in his prime, or even on the roster, when that core is ready to take a big step forward in a couple of years. Stock up on young talent now, sell on guys who are going to be in their 30s when the new core can contend, and you'll shave time off any time spent in the wilderness. I think back to the 2011-2014 Mets; they built the 2015 pennant team in part by selling high on a guy like RA Dickey (netting Syndergaard and d'Arnaud), and the rebuild might've gone even better if the Wilpons had allowed Alderson to trade Reyes or Wright, even if I'm glad Wright was there to play a big role in getting to the Series. But those trades did or would've made sense to ensure a slew of young talent coming up around the young core Alderson had constructed. That has to be the goal here, too.
As for the 1sts the Devils have now: hope like hell we win a lotto spot, hope the Yotes miss the playoffs and don't win a top three spot, hope Vancouver makes the dance this year but gets knocked out early. Given how deep this draft is I'd rather see the Devils roll in with as many firsts as possible for 2020 instead of having to sit back and hope for good positioning in 2021, especially since I don't think Vancouver is gonna regress next year.
The more I read about this deal, the more I like it. Foote looks like the real deal and sounds like a great compliment to our young centers, and the 1st being VAN's is a very welcome surprise. More than that, add me to the list of people agreeing that, much as Pickles was rightly loved, he simply wasn't a lock to be here the next time the team is competitive, and the right thing to do in that case is to trade him while he's at his apex of value to hasten the overall rebuild. As it's been said, it's "like getting two first rounders", and that's a sure-fire deal.
Plus, yeah, I can buy that the club is a couple of decent D-men and a solid backup away from being competitive (the youth on the club has a decent chance to step forward next year, which would make it all easier), but there's a big gap between competing for a playoff spot and contending for a title, and I've had fears that the former would be as far as we could get in the next few years. Now, with a deal like this and maybe a Vats deal, we're looking at piling up a lot of high picks in a deep draft to follow up last year's really solid draft, and building the type of internal system depth that's needed to build a real Cup contender, THEN allows you to compliment with smart free agent signings or trades for veterans.
Building around Hughes, Nico, and Blackwood is smart, and Coleman simply isn't likely to be in his prime, or even on the roster, when that core is ready to take a big step forward in a couple of years. Stock up on young talent now, sell on guys who are going to be in their 30s when the new core can contend, and you'll shave time off any time spent in the wilderness. I think back to the 2011-2014 Mets; they built the 2015 pennant team in part by selling high on a guy like RA Dickey (netting Syndergaard and d'Arnaud), and the rebuild might've gone even better if the Wilpons had allowed Alderson to trade Reyes or Wright, even if I'm glad Wright was there to play a big role in getting to the Series. But those trades did or would've made sense to ensure a slew of young talent coming up around the young core Alderson had constructed. That has to be the goal here, too.
As for the 1sts the Devils have now: hope like hell we win a lotto spot, hope the Yotes miss the playoffs and don't win a top three spot, hope Vancouver makes the dance this year but gets knocked out early. Given how deep this draft is I'd rather see the Devils roll in with as many firsts as possible for 2020 instead of having to sit back and hope for good positioning in 2021, especially since I don't think Vancouver is gonna regress next year.
Emperoreddy
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Also, take a look at the Metro, which is a brutal division that has both EC wild card teams in it, plus a non-playoff team with the 11th best record in the NHL. How far does some UFA defensemen, a new coach and a back up goalie get us in the Metro? Hughes is likely a couple of years away from being a real difference maker as well.
We will arguably be the only rebuilding team in the Metro, the Rangers have sped up their timeline with Panarin, Trouba and Shesterkin. Both Lou and Shero didn’t have players that could bring back 1sts as rentals and both traded for players close to UFA status in an attempt to win now. I don’t want this team to a bottom feeder for years but we need more high end young talent. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t have the extra picks earlier but you can’t really rebuild without them.
aboriginal
lou ****ing sucks
I love Coleman, and I hope he has great success in Tampa, but we've seen many guys develop late, play awesome hockey for a few years, and then fall off the map. For where this team is right now, this was the right move.
aboriginal
lou ****ing sucks
i know what u mean, but he was the type of player....leader, that u dont jettison when the team is a struggling bucket of shit, as we are currently. at least in my opinion. hes the type of player who wears a C and pulls the team, kicking and screaming, where they need to be. the intangibles he has are great. i wish him the best, but i dont like losing him at all. again, im happy with the return, and i mean on paper u have to make that move if its offered. but i just cant get behind moving someone like him, considering what he brings. the team will be fine without him, but theyre stronger with him. regardless if there was 5 years or so left of him being productive. oh well, hope he has success with the boltards.
Yup, I get it. I will miss the hell out of Coleman, one of the only bright spots on this team.
beekay414
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I know it's far too early to tell but I think Nick Merkley can provide a similar spark in Blake's spot. He certainly has so far. He won't be Blake but he's an internal option for the role (offensively anyways) that fits the timeline. If he can't hold up on the PK, then you slot Joey Anderson in the spot.
Yeah, too much to ask Merkley to pick up that mantle, but I really like what I've seen so far. It would be amazing if he became a valuable piece after being seen as a throw-in in the Hall deal.
I think each of the following players has a decent shot of being full time NHL players next year (obviously they won't all be)
Foote
Merkley
Anderson
Thompson
2020 NJD 1st round pick
McLeod
Seney (yes, really)
Zetterlund
beekay414
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Yeah, not asking him to pick up that mantle right now, obviously. Just asking for him to continue to be an all-out spark plug like he has so far. If he can play that bulldog style, he'll make the transition away from Coleman a little easier to stomach. Fourth line has been really fun to watch out on the ice with him and Anderson on it. Hope those two can build something and provide for a great 3rd line in the future.
His physical game was something I had not heard anything about, and it's been so refreshing to see someone throwing hits out there.
