Confirmed with Link: Coleman to Tampa Bay for 1st and Nolan Foote

[Emperoreddy]

Well to be fair Coleman and Greene were both 'Lou players' we managed to get these returns for. So the meme we had nothing left that we could deal for anything has to be adjusted a little.

well also to be fair you need Lou on another team to get that return for Greene.

Greene was a great great player for this team, but he is out of gas. Lou is the only one making that move.

Lou and Castron would never have dreamed Coleman could net this on that draft day. Not in their dizziest day dream. He is the most valuable thing they left on this team.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Well to be fair Coleman and Greene were both 'Lou players' we managed to get these returns for. So the meme we had nothing left that we could deal for anything has to be adjusted a little.

My point was not to debate Lou. The point is we have players that have value around the league. Hall and Coleman got good returns as could Palms. That is how most teams are when they start a rebuild. Unfortunately we did not have anyone on the roster 5 years ago we could have got a first rounder for - this year we already got two in trades, plus we could get one for Palms, plus the younger players that we are not trading have value as well. That is major progress.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I daresay that Nolan Foote is the BEST Prospect the Devils currently have and that includes Ty Smith.

I rank Foote after Smith, but slightly ahead of Boqvist as our #2 prospect.

 

[britdevil]

well also to be fair you need Lou on another team to get that return for Greene.

Greene was a great great player for this team, but he is out of gas. Lou is the only one making that move.

Lou and Castron would never have dreamed Coleman could net this on that draft day. Not in their dizziest day dream. He is the most valuable thing they left on this team.

Castron came with Ray no?

 

[NJDevs26]

My point was not to debate Lou. The point is we have players that have value around the league. Hall and Coleman got good returns as could Palms. That is how most teams are when they start a rebuild. Unfortunately we did not have anyone on the roster 5 years ago we could have got a first rounder for - this year we already got two in trades, plus we could get one for Palms, plus the younger players that we are not trading have value as well. That is major progress.

Well if that's how you define progress...whatever. I'd rather define progress by actually being competitive on the ice as opposed to 'better futures'.

FWIW if we were in full sell mode in 2012 we could have gotten pieces for Kovalchuk, Parise, etc. Heck they could have possibly even gotten a 1 for Clarkson the next year. Everyone either leaving at once or getting old at once after that created a perfect storm of suck. Quite frankly they'd BETTER have more pieces to sell now after five more years of losing than they did when they were in win-now mode for twenty years.

 

[britdevil]

Speaking of "Lou guys", only 4 left!

Zajac, Wood, Severson and Zacha (picked by Ray, but was Lou/Conte's last turd)

 

[NJDevs26]

Speaking of "Lou guys", only 4 left!

Zajac, Wood, Severson and Zacha (picked by Ray, but was Lou/Conte's last turd)

I could really see Zajac being the last one left on the Titanic lol

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Well if that's how you define progress...whatever. I'd rather define progress by actually being competitive on the ice.

FWIW if we were in full sell mode in 2012 we could have gotten pieces for Kovalchuk, Parise, etc. Everyone either leaving at once or getting old at once created a perfect storm of suck.

I do not define progress with simplistic win-loss analysis. In the long run we will be better for this season. IMO we found our goalie of the future, we did not give Hall an albatross of a contract, we will pick higher than we should due to our other goalies being awful, we will have a new coach next season, and the young players are one year closer to their primes.

Future looks bright to me.

 

[MadDevil]

Speaking of "Lou guys", only 4 left!

Zajac, Wood, Severson and Zacha (picked by Ray, but was Lou/Conte's last turd)

By that Zacha standard Blackwood is a "Lou guy" too.

 

[NJDevs26]

I do not define progress with simplistic win-loss analysis. In the long run we will be better for this season. IMO we found our goalie of the future, we did not give Hall an albatross of a contract, we will pick higher than we should due to our other goalies being awful, we will have a new coach next season, and the young players are one year closer to their primes.

Future looks bright to me.

This is where I just shake my head somehow dismissing win-loss as being simplistic and some sort of negative. If we have five more years of losing and trade Nico and Hughes before they become FA's you'll probably be touting that as avoiding bad contracts too.

 

[britdevil]

By that Zacha standard Blackwood is a "Lou guy" too.

I could be totally wrong, but I remember reading something about Zacha being the only pick Conte suggested that year. MBW was a Shero pick.

I could be wrong...

 

[NJDevs26]

I could be totally wrong, but I remember reading something about Zacha being the only pick Conte suggested that year. MBW was a Shero pick.

I could be wrong...

I mean they more or less had to use the Conte board for all the picks but it's easier to think Conte had a lot of influence over the first pick (hence the 'falling out of his chair if we didn't pick him' quote) then the rest of the draft was just Shero following the board to draft whatever he wanted after that. Blackwood was probably more of a Shero guy than Zacha per se since it's hard to say if Lou/Conte would have really drafted a goalie in the second round after trading for and signing Cory long-term but who knows.

 

[jkrdevil]

This season isn’t progress, it is Re-starting the clock on a rebuild. It is the right (and really only) choice. But it does come with the admission that the previous rebuild attempt centered around the Hall trade was a failure.

 

[Offseason Champs]

I would like to see the Devils dip into the UFA market next year for a couple stop-gap LD on two-to-four year deals. Dillon would top my list, with Edmundson close behind. Both of these guys are probably realistic possibilities, and either of them would immediately become the top defensive defenseman on the team.

Yeah this is pretty much the way to go forward I think. Grab some defensemen to fill the gap and protect our Smith boy until he is ready to hopefully take over top pairing role in a few years and hope that like Bahl/one of the other big D this past draft are hits and make the team while those contracts expire like PK/[insert hopeful ufa d man here]. The team lacks a true Defensive guy since you'd be like looking at Mueller or maybe White or Carrick I guess which all of those are just like... yeesh.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

This season isn’t progress, it is Re-starting the clock on a rebuild. It is the right (and really only) choice. But it does come with the admission that the previous rebuild attempt centered around the Hall trade was a failure.

I never thought they were rebuilding around Hall, That would have been a mistake since he has only made the playoffs once in his career. Fortunately the Devils did not make the mistake of signing him to a long term deal last summer.

 

[Billdo]

Before everyone prematurely shot their load, I wonder what Colorado's max bet was... a 1st obviously and who?

 

[Triumph]

This season isn’t progress, it is Re-starting the clock on a rebuild. It is the right (and really only) choice. But it does come with the admission that the previous rebuild attempt centered around the Hall trade was a failure.

It is not re-starting the clock on a rebuild. When the Devils started this process, they had a 28 year old star goalie and some defensemen. They now have Hischier, Hughes, and Blackwood; the first two are core pieces for sure and Blackwood looks pretty decent too.

 

[Devilsfan992]

I never thought they were rebuilding around Hall, That would have been a mistake since he has only made the playoffs once in his career. Fortunately the Devils did not make the mistake of signing him to a long term deal last summer.

What .. they definitely were trying to rebuild around Hall. And it wasn't a terrible idea.

A Robin Lehner and a head coach and it's possible Hall stays and is a playoff team this year and for the next few years to come.

 

[SKNJD9]

Before everyone prematurely shot their load, I wonder what Colorado's max bet was... a 1st obviously and who?

W/e it was I would think Fitzy asked for Kaut once the Foote offer was on the table

 

[Forge]

Before everyone prematurely shot their load, I wonder what Colorado's max bet was... a 1st obviously and who?

My guess was Kaut. I simply don't think Timmins / newhook / BB were on the table and if wager that Annunen probably wasn't high on the priority list

 

[NJDevs26]

What .. they definitely were trying to rebuild around Hall. And it wasn't a terrible idea.

A Robin Lehner and a head coach and it's possible Hall stays and is a playoff team this year and for the next few years to come.

Yeah IF this team followed the Shero plan for being competitive this year and we were in the mix for a playoff spot the narrative around the season and 'building around Hall' would be completely different.

 

[beekay414]

I think it's funny that the first Avs "guess" from people on the main board was Kamenev and a 3rd lol. Avs and Bruins fans from the main board have a huge serving of crow to eat today.

 

[Triumph]

Colorado never really made sense as a Coleman destination because they're not in cap hell next season. Yes, they could add a big player, but past Hall there's not a ton at forward that would be a significant addition, significant enough to pay the Coleman tax.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

I rank Foote after Smith, but slightly ahead of Boqvist as our #2 prospect.

A bit OT but when is Smith expected to do something in the NHL? Next season?

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

This season isn’t progress, it is Re-starting the clock on a rebuild. It is the right (and really only) choice. But it does come with the admission that the previous rebuild attempt centered around the Hall trade was a failure.

Luckily this time the restart does not take the clock back a whole hour like it did last time. More like 15 minute adjustment to the big picture.

We were not going to win a cup within next 3 years. We still arent but id rather not have Hall and co. around in 5 yrs when our window could open.