Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[KingBogo]

Just for a frame of reference, 5 of Chevy's top 7 homegrown RFA negotiations went into training camp without a deal done (KC, Laine, Trouba, JoMo, and now Perfetti). The only two marquee guys that signed prior to camp where Mark and Ehlers. Ehlers though was signed a year early (only player they have done this with).

Trouba wanted out so he's in his own category.

JoMo signed Sept 16 which was a fee days into that camp.

KC and Laine signed on Sept 28 and 29.

So there really is nothing to see here, this is just normal operating procedure for the org with these types of deals.

I was just about to something along these lines. And each time a contract negotiation went into camp, people had all the same concerns. The only one that went long term at that point was KC.

 

[KingBogo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836817407932866776

Chevy’s comments only really make sense if a long term deal was still on the table. We have plenty of cap space for a bridge deal and will have even more next year with some big contracts that will go away in a year.

 

[Buffdog]

Just for a frame of reference, 5 of Chevy's top 7 homegrown RFA negotiations went into training camp without a deal done (KC, Laine, Trouba, JoMo, and now Perfetti). The only two marquee guys that signed prior to camp where Mark and Ehlers. Ehlers though was signed a year early (only player they have done this with).

Trouba wanted out so he's in his own category.

JoMo signed Sept 16 which was a fee days into that camp.

KC and Laine signed on Sept 28 and 29.

So there really is nothing to see here, this is just normal operating procedure for the org with these types of deals.

Yup, and there are other RFAs out there unsigned too including Swayman and Seider

 

[WolfHouse]

Yup, and there are other RFAs out there unsigned too including Swayman and Seider

Let's trade Ehlers for Seider!!!

 

[DRW204]

I can see the appeal of the cap or trade flexibility from the Jets POV.

Totally agree on this ... one party wants bridge and the other wants 8 years imo that's the hold up.

 

[surixon]

Chevy’s comments only really make sense if a long term deal was still on the table. We have plenty of cap space for a bridge deal and will have even more next year with some big contracts that will go away in a year.

That's a good way of looking at it. Who really cares about $200 to $300k per year on a bridge deal when you have $6.5 million in cap space.

I was just about to something along these lines. And each time a contract negotiation went into camp, people had all the same concerns. The only one that went long term at that point was KC.

I think they wanted to ink JoMo long term but didn't have the cap space. They revised it and inked him thr following summer.

Hard to know what they were thinking of Laine at that point.

 

[Buffdog]

That's a good way of looking at it. Who really cares about $200 to $300k per year on a bridge deal when you have $6.5 million in cap space.



I think they wanted to ink JoMo long term but didn't have the cap space. They revised it and inked him thr following summer.

Hard to know what they were thinking of Laine at that point.

Whatever AAV Cole comes in at, Chevy may also be talking extension with Nik's camp and he knows that Gabe and Snerg due after this season as well

Very tough to pinpoint where those two come jnsince this season is pivotal for both of them

 

[surixon]

Whatever AAV Cole comes in at, Chevy may also be talking extension with Nik's camp and he knows that Gabe and Snerg due after this season as well

Very tough to pinpoint where those two come jnsince this season is pivotal for both of them

True, but they will have close to 30 million off the books next year. There should be plenty of space to keep everyone you want and we should have people on elcs to take the place of expensive depth. Haggling over a couple 100k on a bridge deal isn't going to make any material impact on the Jets cap structure.

 

[abax44]

Let's trade Ehlers for Seider!!!

Seider signed. Too bad, deal was close.

 

[DRW204]

Another RFA in Seider just signed long term.

 

[tbcwpg]

The special teams were definitely an issue last year. Which is on coaching.

However, would be remiss to point out 7th in 5v5 GF, 12th in xGF% (1% separated 12th to 7th)... When's the last time the Jets rated that highly in those areas prior to Bowness? Why does this get glossed over?

The wrong players got those stats.

 

[raideralex99]

I was just about to something along these lines. And each time a contract negotiation went into camp, people had all the same concerns. The only one that went long term at that point was KC.

It was Laine's contract that delayed KC's contract. KC signed the next day after Laine signed.

 

[Jets 31]

I'm not worried at all, as Chevy said it's all part of the business of hockey. Perfetti will get signed very soon.

 

[sipowicz]

Perfetan deserves $2M for the first half of seasons and about $200K for the second half when he dissappears!

 

[KingBogo]

It was Laine's contract that delayed KC's contract. KC signed the next day after Laine signed.

I meant a long term deal not how long it took to negotiate.

 

[Skidooboy]

Was I Cole...after a dead cold slump last yer, and a LOT of bench time?

I'd be signed and in Camp, because if he sits out? There's a real good chance Lambert has most of us wondering why we ever wanted Perfetti in the first place...

 

[Cnile]

Hellebuyck has finished 4th or better in Vezina voting 5 of the last 7 years. If anything, I'd argue that Hellebuyck's being probably the best regular season goalie in the NHL helps mask a lot of underlying issues with both team talent and coaching.

I agree
Hellebucyk is our duct tape no doubt

Perfetan deserves $2M for the first half of seasons and about $200K for the second half when he dissappears!

Savage

 

[surixon]

Mercer now inked so I think that is it for his peers. I'm not sure Chevy will like the 3 year 12 million comp he inked though. I doubt Chevy would want to walk Cole 1 year before UFA.

 

[Buffdog]

Mercer now inked so I think that is it for his peers. I'm not sure Chevy will like the 3 year 13 million comp he inked though. I doubt Chevy would want to walk Cole 1 year before UFA.

Not much of a difference between a 2 year bridge to arb rights and a 3 year deal

In both scenarios the player holds the cards and can ultimately walk to UFA

 

[surixon]

Not much of a difference between a 2 year bridge to arb rights and a 3 year deal

In both scenarios the player holds the cards and can ultimately walk to UFA

True, but it's a bridge that definitely favors the Cole camp in terms of AAV, I'm sure Chevy isn't happy.

 

[Buffdog]

True, but it's a bridge that definitely favors the Cole camp in terms of AAV, I'm sure Chevy isn't happy.

Yeah, between that and the Raymond deal there are some high numbers out there. Chevy might have to bend a little more than he's used to on these 2nd contracts

I'm fine with a number in the low 7s for Cole over 7 or 8 years but I'm not sure that chevy does that

 

[Weezeric]

True, but it's a bridge that definitely favors the Cole camp in terms of AAV, I'm sure Chevy isn't happy.

I’m not sure how that comp hurts Chevy. He has almost 60 more points than Perfetti over his ELC.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, between that and the Raymond deal there are some high numbers out there. Chevy might have to bend a little more than he's used to on these 2nd contracts

I'm fine with a number in the low 7s for Cole over 7 or 8 years but I'm not sure that chevy does that

Between that, the Pinto and the Byfield deals for players with the same ppg rate in non tax free states I don't really see the Jets having the market on their side here.

 

[Whis]

This is the most important year of Coles career to date (by far). Fine if he misses this weekends games, but would be malpractice from both ends for this to extend into next weekend. Get a deal done and get him practicing ASAP.

 

[surixon]

I’m not sure how that comp hurts Chevy. He has almost 60 more points than Perfetti over his ELC.

Exact same career ppg and had a much worse year then Cole last year for those who penalize Cole for his year. Yes Cole will get docked some off of it for his injuries but it is a comp that will put upward pressure on the market.