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Maybe it's too early to ask this, but how does Perfetti project as an NHL player, C or W?

I know he prefers C, and has played as a C, but some (including myself) have thought when he was drafted that he might be a W in the NHL. Was curious if there's enough data to make any projections.

If he can handle C, man oh man would we be blessed as a team.
 
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GeorgeJETson said:
Maybe it's too early to ask this, but how does Perfetti project as an NHL player, C or W?

I know he prefers C, and has played as a C, but some (including myself) have thought when he was drafted that he might be a W in the NHL. Was curious if there's enough data to make any projections.

If he can handle C, man oh man would we be blessed as a team.
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I'm sure he'll start at wing but I would hope he takes the center spot from Mark in a few years when Mark slows down and we can then transition Mark to wing like what Tampa did with Stamkos.
 
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GeorgeJETson said:
Maybe it's too early to ask this, but how does Perfetti project as an NHL player, C or W?

I know he prefers C, and has played as a C, but some (including myself) have thought when he was drafted that he might be a W in the NHL. Was curious if there's enough data to make any projections.

If he can handle C, man oh man would we be blessed as a team.
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No expert, but his game says "C" for than W to me. He seems to think like a C, defends like a C, and picks his routes and spots like a C. If the league has more room for smaller Cs, that's his natural spot, IMO.

If not, he can be a high-scoring, chaos-causing, takeaway-acing C/W like a mini Mark Stone, and be nearly as effective.
 
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A comparison I just thought of for Cole that I think fits is Pavel Datsyuk.

A lot of similarities in terms of size, elite edge work, tremendous hands, great vision and passing. Like Datsyuk Cole anticipates the play incredibly well off the puck and is extremely good at disrupting and forcing turnovers. Also like Pavel he is strong on his feet for his size.

The more I think about it the more I hope the organization is using Pavel as a template for Cole. If we develop Cole into a very strong two-way play driving C capable of PPG plus in his prime then we will have a major franchise corner stone piece.

Clearly Datsyuk is a very high bar to set but I think you should always be trying to aim high.
 
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Romang67 said:
I'll share the dirty little secret here:

Beulieau isn't playing as the 7th D while Perfetti first sits and then gets sent down to the A because of cap reasons either.

Perfetti got sent down because Maurice doesn't want him playing in the NHL. There is really no need to overthink this.
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Except for the fact that again asset decisions like this are not solely made by the coach. That's a ridiculous business model considering coaches are now focused and asset management is future looking.

So, if people are butthurt about the very consistent, methodical way the Jets handle their prospects they should speed their vitriol around to Jets management.
 
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Jet said:
Except for the fact that again asset decisions like this are not solely made by the coach. That's a ridiculous business model considering coaches are now focused and asset management is future looking.

So, if people are butthurt about the very consistent, methodical way the Jets handle their prospects they should speed their vitriol around to Jets management.
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I think its all about role vs development for Chevy. I am sure if Maurice wanted Cole for the top 6 and PP Chevy probably keeps Cole on the roster.

Since Moe doesn't feel Cole is ready for it or that he would rather use other players Chevy wants Cole developing and getting big minutes in the AHL.

We saw similar with Conner. Conner cracked the line up with a great camp in 16-17 and started in a scoring/pp role. Conner didn't show himself to be ready so Moe moved him down the line up to the fourth line. Chevy quickly took Conner and put him on the Moose to develop.

I feel the same would have applied to Cole or even Heinola. If Moe wanted either in an advanced role where they would get enough playing time in roles that they are being groomed for then they likely are still up.
 
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surixon said:
I think its all about role vs development for Chevy. I am sure if Maurice wanted Cole for the top 6 and PP Chevy probably keeps Cole on the roster.

Since Moe doesn't feel Cole is ready for it or that he would rather use other players Chevy wants Cole developing and getting big minutes in the AHL.

We saw similar with Conner. Conner cracked the line up with a great camp in 16-17 and started in a scoring/pp role. Conner didn't show himself to be ready so Moe moved him down the line up to the fourth line. Chevy quickly took Conner and put him on the Moose to develop.

I feel the same would have applied to Cole or even Heinola. If Moe wanted either in an advanced role where they would get enough playing time in roles that they are being groomed for then they likely are still up.
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I can't argue too much with that, except to say it's not even just Maurice and Chevy. It's the associate coaches and assistant GM as well, and likely pro scouts have a say as well. I just want to underline that people saying it's all Maurice are just plain wrong about that.
 
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Jet said:
I can't argue too much with that, except to say it's not even just Maurice and Chevy. It's the associate coaches and assistant GM as well, and likely pro scouts have a say as well. I just want to underline that people saying it's all Maurice are just plain wrong about that.
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Yeah I'm sure there is a group that gets together and talks about various scenarios and development paths.
 
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surixon said:
A comparison I just thought of for Cole that I think fits is Pavel Datsyuk.

A lot of similarities in terms of size, elite edge work, tremendous hands, great vision and passing. Like Datsyuk Cole anticipates the play incredibly well off the puck and is extremely good at disrupting and forcing turnovers. Also like Pavel he is strong on his feet for his size.

The more I think about it the more I hope the organization is using Pavel as a template for Cole. If we develop Cole into a very strong two-way play driving C capable of PPG plus in his prime then we will have a major franchise corner stone piece.

Clearly Datsyuk is a very high bar to set but I think you should always be trying to aim high.
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I thought speed and edgework were below average on perfetti, but my sample is limited to the NHL games I watched.
 
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Top end speed = Average
Acceleration/First Three Steps = Below Average
Edge Work/Cut back ability = ELITE
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I don't really know what his top end looks like - I don't see this guy at full throttle much.
He's a playmaker and those guys are usually playing a more controlled game - not necessarily at top speed

His first steps are below average but he looks a little quicker than he was

IDK about elite edgework - I haven't see it at an elite level. He has good edgework IMO

Where I do see him at an elite level is on his vision and ability to use his line mates or create space for himself
He plays a very heady game and that is his strength right now - other areas can be worked on.

One other area that was a pleasant surprise - his work in traffic, especially open ice congested areas - he works really well in a crowd with limited space, and knows how to use his body to avoid being over powered. Really nice to see.
 
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The kid has developed exponentially the last 3 years. When you can read the game like him and anticipate the game very well sure makes it easier. A 19 yr old who know has played in the show is a boost to his confidence. With PM he is a bottom 6 guy and has a good team down in the AHL which normally Cole would have to go back to the Spirit. So the organization gets him in the A 2 years early. Either way Cole will be a solid NHL player let's give him more time to get some of his weak areas addressed with the Moose.
 
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I just wanted to post this article below that was found in Murat's recent article.

While Perfetti may only have 10 points in 13 games he's pretty much controlling play and dominating his matchups:

Perfetti Becoming Go-To Guy For Moose

He's over 60% in terms if CF% and XGF%

He also leads the Moose in scoring chances generated per game at 3.5.

So imo if he hadn't hit so many posts or if his teammates could finish a better he'd have a lot more points.

He's developing quite well down there and should be ready next year.
 
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surixon said:
I just wanted to post this article below that was found in Murat's recent article.

While Perfetti may only have 10 points in 13 games he's pretty much controlling play and dominating his matchups:

Perfetti Becoming Go-To Guy For Moose

He's over 60% in terms if CF% and XGF%

He also leads the Moose in scoring chances generated per game at 3.5.

So imo if he hadn't hit so many posts or if his teammates could finish a better he'd have a lot more points.

He's developing quite well down there and should be ready next year.
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Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the Covid situation and it getting Perfetti in the AHL last year, and then him being able to play again this year when he normally wouldn't have been huge for his development.

I wonder if Perfetti and Gus could not only be Jets black aces this year, but actually contribute to a playoff run.
 
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Huffer said:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the Covid situation and it getting Perfetti in the AHL last year, and then him being able to play again this year when he normally wouldn't have been huge for his development.

I wonder if Perfetti and Gus could not only be Jets black aces this year, but actually contribute to a playoff run.
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Absolutely, this has most certainly accelerated his development.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's ready to play a key role the second half of the year. I guess it depends if they want him to go on an AHL layoff run as a key driver.

Gus should be up over Nash imo. He isnt going to get much better down there now imo.
 
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surixon said:
Exactly, I would have preferred that he stayed in the AHL myself. I don't see what he's going to gain be going to a lower level of competition in a less structured environment.
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Quoting this in the correct player thread.

I think there are 2 positives to his going.

Firstly, I know that it must be a very big deal for players to go. If they're in the NHL, that's one thing, but I don't think his development is impeded by skipping a few AHL games to play in the World Juniors. Especially one at home, with fans actually in attendance. It's an experience that many don't get to have.

Secondly, he's going to be a leader on the team and I think that experience is also valuable.

So, he probably won't learn anything on the ice specifically but I think it's an overall positive. My original comment about WJC success not translating to the NHL was more about how the team was chosen this year, and that just because someone had a good or bad tournament, it doesn't really say a lot about their professional future.
 
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