What do I have to be salty about? I could really care less. I just think it's funny that people are comparing him to Guy Lafleur after a good 12 game start to the season.
Cole Caufield turning into a legit superstar
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BenchBrawl
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Ignore the stats? Thats the argument for someone who is trying to make a point without actual evidence.
When Kucherov went from 66 to 85 points in one season, that was an example of "turning into a superstar" (scored 100 the year after, then his historic 128 the year after that)
I mean, ever since St. Louis took over, he's 2nd in even-strength goals behind Matthews...
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That's a 50 games sample, and the eye-test is clear that Caufield is the real deal.
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I mean, ever since St. Louis took over, he's 2nd in even-strength goals behind Matthews...
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That's a 50 games sample, and the eye-test is clear that Caufield is the real deal.
Lets see him produce at an elite level over a whole season first. Not parts of two different seasons.
When he actually produces elite numbers, then one can say hes turning into a legit superstar.
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No. When he actually produces elite numbers, one can say HE IS a superstar. Now he's merely "turning into one", which is what the thread title says.
HF logic:
Player signs a contract for way more money they are worth— it’s fine they are taking a risk as he will become a star and your dumb if you don’t agree with that
Fan makes a post about a player turning into a potential superstar — GeT oVeR 40 pOiNtS fIrSt DuMb DuMb
Player signs a contract for way more money they are worth— it’s fine they are taking a risk as he will become a star and your dumb if you don’t agree with that
Fan makes a post about a player turning into a potential superstar — GeT oVeR 40 pOiNtS fIrSt DuMb DuMb
There are only a handful of people on the planet with his release and he also happens to be quick, skilled and can see the ice.
I question the player evaluating ability of anyone who didn’t see this coming TBH
I question the player evaluating ability of anyone who didn’t see this coming TBH
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his talent was never in doubt it's just a question of if he's ever going to get his head rocked like skinner.
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Lets see him actually hit 35+ goals and 60+ points in a full season before saying hes turning into one. Not 50 games spread out over two seasons.
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short king makes excellent use of his low centre of gravity. it's why he can elevate the puck like no other. he is a tailor made goal scorer. i say he scores fifty, on a bad-by-design habs team
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How about just watching him play?
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I don't think superstar is out of the question especially if he keeps improving on his weaknesses. He's who I wanted in the draft, supreme vision/IQ (necessary to be a true superstar) some speed mixed with a lethal shot. Sky's the limit for this kid as OP said he has that 'it' factor and that edge all superstars have inherently. Rooting for him on the Habs not against the Sabres!
I'll say this. He is already better than Marner .
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Genuinely I didn't think he had it in him. Nice underdog story. That's the nicest thing I'll say about a hab, lol.
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The eye test revealed that before he even joined the league. But my "we can't have nice things offensively in mtl " complex compels me to not get too excited.
Becoming the best winger in mtl since Lafleur isn't as great a feat as some might think.
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The "nothing" you're referring to goes by the name of Dominique Ducharme.
He's doubling his xGF and has a very inflated PDO. I'd like his stats to be sustainable before judging him as a superstar.I mean, ever since St. Louis took over, he's 2nd in even-strength goals behind Matthews...
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That's a 50 games sample, and the eye-test is clear that Caufield is the real deal.
Looks like a hot streak.
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The term superstar has been bastardized by this board into a nothing terminology.
I agree with you to a degree. 14.3% is absurdly high for 5v5 shooting percentage so I would expect it to start to level out. However, if you're in the camp that Cole has an elite shot (I think he does)- it wouldn't surprise me for him to have several seasons where he significantly (+4-8%) outperforms his expected shooting percentage. Most snipers do. Just look at Stamkos, Laine, Ovechkin, Matthews, Pastrnak etc.
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I have to admit, he's very, very good...against my wishes.
He still is terrible defensively, but who cares when he's a legit top 5 threat league wide to beat a goalie clean with his shot.
Shades of Semin.
He still is terrible defensively, but who cares when he's a legit top 5 threat league wide to beat a goalie clean with his shot.
Shades of Semin.
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I don't care about fancy stats. I'm a dinosaur. I am not part of the Dubas brotherhood.
It's just kinda strange that when Caufield legit had a super cold streak earlier Habs fans pointed out all of his advanced stats and how unsustainable it was and that he was going to start scoring a lot more soon. Now that he's on a similarly unsustainable hot streak they ignore the advanced stats and just talk about how much he's scoring.
I'd instead take the average of the two and we probably get his real performance, which is still good.
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Habs fans that weren't me.
Stop looking at excel sheets and watch the games.
Caufield is a new player.
I won't bash the guy, but I'm always very hesitant to call out a guy as a superstar or turning into a superstar until there is some sustained consistency. I think you've taken 2 very extreme positions here (I know exaggeration on purpose)....but there is middle ground.Hfboards haters will say that he is a fringe top 6 sniper until he retire with 10+ 40goals season.
But if he was in their team, he would already be top 10 winger...
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If he's had a couple years of 40+ goals and 3rd looking no different and you have guys dragging him until he does it for 10-15 years, that's different. We are currently talking about a guy who's career high is 23 goals and 43 points. Doesn't matter what a reasonable person would agree his potential is, he hasn't proven anything yet.
Pulling goals scored for last 12 games or from Feb 10th last season to now also isn't a great way to gauge. If I were to name the most streaky thing that can occur in hockey....it's goal scorers scoring goals. Very, very few goal scorers are sure and steady just piling up goals, they come in bunches and this has been true over a long, long period of time. EXTREME example and very small sample size: Stamkos: first 5 games this year - #1, last 7 games - dead last.
