Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[SlafySZN]

I think he'll turn out to he better than Debrincat.

Lightning quick hands, and developing good vision and ... work along the wall !!!! He can do it all.

Debrincat is nowhere near as dynamic as Cole.

Cole is already better in my opinion in all aspects, he just hasn’t had the same stats as him or better yet but at the same age he will!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Debrincat is nowhere near as dynamic as Cole.

Cole is already better in my opinion in all aspects, he just hasn’t had the same stats as him or better yet but at the same age he will!

Cole hasn't played with Kane either, not to take anything away from Suzuki, but those are different beasts.

He has a great one-timer and most of his goals were of that variety, most of the time on a Kane pass.

Like you said, Cole is more dynamic. He's a more versatile scorer. Better wrister too.

When Debrincat got traded, I predicted his his goal scoring would go down and so far I've been right.

 

[Paddy17]

You would think that it would be Suzuki driving his line, but it's actually been Caufield who's driving that line for the last 5-6 games. He's added some grit and puck tenacity to his game, and that has been an incredible transformation in his game as a guy who drives play instead of just finding open ice to receive passes.

 

[Scriptor]

Goals are gold, but Suzuki is on pace with Caufield for goals and the argument to give Caufield the same contract his buddy got will be there.

Will Caufield accept that? Considering his size and the reality of injuries in the NHL, for 8 years, Caufield might well accept the paltry 63M that Suzuki got

Hughes will also be selling the ability to pay players fairly while having the Cap space to build a winner. If you sign long term at a young age, your goal should be to win a Cup, more than making the extra 5M over 8 years by signing an 8.5M contract instead.

Maybe Caufield is just about the money, but I doubt it. I could be wrong.

It also doesn't hurt that Montreal picked him after 14 teams passed on him and that he'll be playing for his idol, Martin St-Louis, for the foreseeable future.

 

[417]

Honestly I think that if he didn’t sign an extension its because him and his agent doesn’t want to sign one yet. He’s betting on himself and looking to sign an extension at the end off the season. Im pretty that the organization already approached him about an extension

I wouldn't sign now if i’m him either...not with the way I'm playing.

And really, that's OK, he’ll get a lot of money and the Habs will get a lot of goals.

These aren't the type of contracts you worry about.

 

[26Mats]

Goals are gold, but Suzuki is on pace with Caufield for goals and the argument to give Caufield the same contract his buddy got will be there.

Will Caufield accept that? Considering his size and the reality of injuries in the NHL, for 8 years, Caufield might well accept the paltry 63M that Suzuki got

Hughes will also be selling the ability to pay players fairly while having the Cap space to build a winner. If you sign long term at a young age, your goal should be to win a Cup, more than making the extra 5M over 8 years by signing an 8.5M contract instead.

Maybe Caufield is just about the money, but I doubt it. I could be wrong.

It also doesn't hurt that Montreal picked him after 14 teams passed on him and that he'll be playing for his idol, Martin St-Louis, for the foreseeable future.

If he gets 45 or 50 goals this year, that puts him in a different stratosphere.

Up to him if he wants to take a discount or not.

 

[Sorinth]

I wouldn't sign now if i’m him either...not with the way I'm playing.

And really, that's OK, he’ll get a lot of money and the Habs will get a lot of goals.

These aren't the type of contracts you worry about.

I mean sure but at the same time is 60m(7.5 for 8) vs 80m(10 for 8) is probably not all that important for most people, you are still set up for life with the 60m and there's always the chance of a Matt Cooke ending your career and ending up with virtually nothing.

I do wonder about Hughes though, as a player agent he's no doubt had cases where the potential for a big contract negatively impacted his client because it got to them mentally. So I wonder if he's in the Gainey mold of not wanting to do any hard negotiations with players mid-season.

 

[HuGort]

Looks like he'll get around 8.35M a year. some other player just got that for 8 years and won't have shown as much as Caufield will by the end of the season.

Around 10 million I figure. Cap is going way up and he is on pace for 50+. Around 8 million sounds low. Unless his play falls off.

Habs got a deal on Suzuki contract

 

[Scriptor]

Around 10 million I figure. Cap is going way up and he is on pace for 50+. Around 8 million sounds low. Unless his play falls off.

Habs got a deal on Suzuki contract

Obviously, if Caufield scores 55 goals and gets 96 points (his current pace), signing him for 8.35M will be hard to do, even more if the plan is to offer him exactly what Suzuki got.

However, I don't expect him to get 55 goals and 96 points this season. The team will have ups and downs and he will go through a rough patch at some point.

Then, there's the question of repeating that performance before getting 8 YEARS at mega bucks. Offering 10M + long term is a huge risk.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Around 10 million I figure. Cap is going way up and he is on pace for 50+. Around 8 million sounds low. Unless his play falls off.

Habs got a deal on Suzuki contract

Funny how we tried to tell other fanbases that but they didn’t believe us.

 

[HuGort]

Funny how we tried to tell other fanbases that but they didn’t believe us.

Some people try to destroy all the time

 

[Redux91]

Goals are gold, but Suzuki is on pace with Caufield for goals and the argument to give Caufield the same contract his buddy got will be there.

Will Caufield accept that? Considering his size and the reality of injuries in the NHL, for 8 years, Caufield might well accept the paltry 63M that Suzuki got

Hughes will also be selling the ability to pay players fairly while having the Cap space to build a winner. If you sign long term at a young age, your goal should be to win a Cup, more than making the extra 5M over 8 years by signing an 8.5M contract instead.

Maybe Caufield is just about the money, but I doubt it. I could be wrong.

It also doesn't hurt that Montreal picked him after 14 teams passed on him and that he'll be playing for his idol, Martin St-Louis, for the foreseeable future.

It's like I keep telling people
That amazing Suzuki contract is our secret weapon vs a potential astronomical contract for CC
CC HIMSELF knows Suzuki is the straw that stirs the drink, the best player
CC's agent has to contend with that bigtime

Itll probably end up being 8.5M, and that's just fine

 

[McGuires Corndog]

It's like I keep telling people
That amazing Suzuki contract is our secret weapon vs a potential astronomical contract for CC
CC HIMSELF knows Suzuki is the straw that stirs the drink, the best player
CC's agent has to contend with that bigtime

Itll probably end up being 8.5M, and that's just fine

Well said, completely agree.

I doubt he ends up getting a much larger number than Suzuki. The plus about being in Montreal is he can easily make up income in endorsements, which he will.

 

[themilosh]

Cole hasn't played with Kane either, not to take anything away from Suzuki, but those are different beasts.

He has a great one-timer and most of his goals were of that variety, most of the time on a Kane pass.

Like you said, Cole is more dynamic. He's a more versatile scorer. Better wrister too.

When Debrincat got traded, I predicted his his goal scoring would go down and so far I've been right.

it never ceases to amaze how GMs dont understand stat dynamics and how they relate to linemates. Same goes for Johnny Hockey.. If you want a small player on your team, you better have the right linemates for him 'else his usefulness is muddied.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

it never ceases to amaze how GMs dont understand stat dynamics and how they relate to linemates. Same goes for Johnny Hockey.. If you want a small player on your team, you better have the right linemates for him 'else his usefulness is muddied.

To be fair, Debrincat has high offensive IQ and despite not scoring much so far, he's still close to ppg by getting more assists.

 

[themilosh]

To be fair, Debrincat has high offensive IQ and despite not scoring much so far, he's still close to ppg by getting more assists.

fair enough... I'm just not big on signing FA unless they are true "Line-driver" Cs or a complementary winger to an already established line. Small wingers are not ideal UFA targets as you will never get the value of what you end up paying.

 

[lillypad33]

I'd still be surprised if Caufield gets to 40 goals.
The NHL always "tightens up" around now. Which basically means the officials let them start to cheat with hooking and holding.
I'm not saying that Cole isn't an amazing player, but the Canadiens are essentially a 1 line team right now.
It'll be ultra-easy for the other teams to totally eliminate him considering they don't have to concentrate on anything else.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I'd still be surprised if Caufield gets to 40 goals.
The NHL always "tightens up" around now. Which basically means the officials let them start to cheat with hooking and holding.
I'm not saying that Cole isn't an amazing player, but the Canadiens are essentially a 1 line team right now.
It'll be ultra-easy for the other teams to totally eliminate him considering they don't have to concentrate on anything else.

I mean... those are all great arguments. Problem is, it flies in the face of what Cole did in the last 37 games of last season... They were passed that point where players supposedly hook and hold more. They were a one line team.

 

[SlafySZN]

I wonder how this man’s doing

 

[Mrb1p]

Cole hasn't played with Kane either, not to take anything away from Suzuki, but those are different beasts.

He has a great one-timer and most of his goals were of that variety, most of the time on a Kane pass.

Like you said, Cole is more dynamic. He's a more versatile scorer. Better wrister too.

When Debrincat got traded, I predicted his his goal scoring would go down and so far I've been right

Better yet is the Sens fans expecting Stutzle to be an upgrade on Kane .

Its crazy how underrated the stars of the 00-10s have been underrated.

 

[Mrb1p]

I'd still be surprised if Caufield gets to 40 goals.
The NHL always "tightens up" around now. Which basically means the officials let them start to cheat with hooking and holding.
I'm not saying that Cole isn't an amazing player, but the Canadiens are essentially a 1 line team right now.
It'll be ultra-easy for the other teams to totally eliminate him considering they don't have to concentrate on anything else.

Its impossible he doesnt get to 40, barring injuries.

His goalscoring would need to go beyond last season to land under.

He needs 32 in his last 69 (nice).
0.46 GPg, last year even with the catastrophic start to the season, he ended with 0.35, even this incredible regression would have him score 30.5 goals. He is not shooting at incredibly high levels, he merely increased his shot output. 15% vs 12% last year. (It is high for a regular NHLer, but not for an elite shooter.)

I doubt he finishes the year past PPG, because Suzukis goalscoring will falter off, but Coles scoring 40.

The PP will start to pick up one day too, they wont end the season at 14%, I think.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I wonder how this man’s doing

This guy was a comms director of the Habs and Jets?

 

[SlafySZN]

This guy was a comms director of the Habs and Jets?

Supposedly. I tried searching about that but i found nothing!

 

[Captain Mountain]

Supposedly. I tried searching about that but i found nothing!

Just checked, looks like he was Comms Director for the Ice Caps in the time period they were the AHL team for the Jets and Habs 2011-2017.

Stu Cowan: St. John's embraces Baby Habs, even if it's only a short hug

 

[SlafySZN]

Just checked, looks like he was Comms Director for the Ice Caps in the time period they were the AHL team for the Jets and Habs 2011-2017.

Stu Cowan: St. John's embraces Baby Habs, even if it's only a short hug

Wow you’re better than me lol!

He’s apparently a sens fan now since they drafted Caufield.

He also wanted the habs to trade him to the jets for Dubois this summer, saying Dubois was twice as good as Cole.