Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[Habs Halifax]

It’s gonna be 10+. I’m calling 11/11.5

It won't be that high. Norris scored 35 goals in 66 games and just got $7.95M AAV this past summer.

 

[417]

Sign him 8x8 tomorrow and it’s one of the leagues better contracts this time next year

If he wants too, sure lol.

But if he has an agent worth a damn, there's no way he signs that if he believes in himself and with the cap increasing by at least 10M in the next 4 years.

 

[waitin425]

I was hoping for a 8x7 or 8x7.5 this summer to be announced. If he has a 40 goal season, it's going to cost around $8M AAV for sure.

Norris just had a 35 goal season in 66 games at got $7.95M

That would be a good comparable for the Habs to focus in on. 8 x 8 at the absolute max. Caufield and Nick for the next 8 years at 16ish mil combined is perfect.

 

[417]

It won't be that high. Norris scored 35 goals in 66 games and just got $7.95M AAV this past summer.

It will be higher.

If you want a lower AAV, then you'll have to sign him to a shorter deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If he wants too, sure lol.

But if he has an agent worth a damn, there's no way he signs that if he believes in himself and with the cap increasing by at least 10M in the next 4 years.

I think we are worried a bit much here. It's going to fall around $8M even if he scores 40 goals this year.

 

[417]

I think we are worried a bit much here. It's going to fall around $8M even if he scores 40 goals this year.

I'm not worried, I couldn't care less what he's going to sign for. I just see a lot of folks suggesting that Nick Suzuki is our "salary cap", he's not. His contract isn't going to set the limit for Caufield.

Signing guys like Caufield is a no-brainer, hand wringing over what his AAV is going to be is pointless to be honest.

For the record, I don't think they're signing him for anything less than 8.5M, unless of course he wants to take a discount (which I don't know why he would at this stage of his career).

 

[Habs Halifax]

It will be higher.

If you want a lower AAV, then you'll have to sign him to a shorter deal.

Explain me how it's going to be higher when Norris just got $7.95M for 8 years after scoring 35 goals in 66 games (prorated to 43 goals).

$8M - $8.5M range if he has a 40 goal / 60-70 pts season which is likely where it lands.

Suzuki and Norris contracts are good ones to compare too.

 

[417]

Explain me how it's going to be higher when Norris just got $7.95M for 8 years after scoring 35 goals in 66 games (prorated to 43 goals).

$8M - $8.5M range if he has a 40 goal / 60-70 pts season which is likely where it lands.

Suzuki and Norris contracts are good ones to compare too.

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[417]

Explain me how it's going to be higher when Norris just got $7.95M for 8 years after scoring 35 goals in 66 games (prorated to 43 goals).

$8M - $8.5M range if he has a 40 goal / 60-70 pts season which is likely where it lands.

Well looks like we agree here lol.

But just to elaborate, you're not factoring the increase in salary cap over the next 4 years, the cap is projected to increase as much as 10M between now and 2026.

This has to be factored into any/every extension.

You can't exclusively use salary figures from 2021/2022 when you're negotiating a deal that's going to kick in, in 2023 and set to expire in 2031 (assuming it's an 8 year deal)

Suzuki and Norris contracts are good ones to compare too.

As a baseline sure...but the important figure isn't the AAV, it's the % of what Suzuki and Norris make in relation to the salary cap.

Suzuki is currently worth 9.5% of the Montreal Canadiens salary cap which is at 82.5M
Norris is currently worth 9.6% of the Ottawa Senators salary cap which is at 82.5M

If the cap is projected to be at 86.5M in 2026.

That = roughly 8.2M (cap % is 9.5%, identical to Suzuki/Norris) per year as a baseline for any perspective long term extension for Caufield*

*unless of course he chooses to take a discount

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well looks like we agree here lol.

But just to elaborate, you're not factoring the increase in salary cap over the next 4 years, the cap is projected to increase as much as 10M between now and 2026.

This has to be factored into any/every extension.

You can't exclusively use salary figures from 2021/2022 when you're negotiating a deal that's going to kick in, in 2023 and set to expire in 2031 (assuming it's an 8 year deal)

As a baseline sure...but the important figure isn't the AAV, it's the % of what Suzuki and Norris make in relation to the salary cap.

Suzuki is currently worth 9.5% of the Montreal Canadiens salary cap which is at 82.5M
Norris is currently worth 9.6% of the Ottawa Senators salary cap which is at 82.5M

If the cap is projected to be at 86.5M in 2026.

That = roughly 8.2M per year as a baseline for any perspective long term extension for Caufield*

*unless of course he chooses to take a discount

In order for it to rise above $8.5M IMO, he has to have 40 goals and 80+ pts.

Suzuki and Norris start their contracts this season. Norris just signing his this past July. The future cap growth and RFA/UFA years in the 8 year term is already factored in.

 

[Sagikev]

The kid is tailor-made for this market. Electric on the ice, likeable and goofy personality off the ice. THE COCK

 

[417]

In order for it to rise above $8.5M IMO, he has to have 40 goals and 80+ pts.

Debatable...i'm just spitballing here, trying to see it from both the player and teams perspective.

Like I said above, I think somewhere in the 8.25-8.5M range is likely going to be where it ends up being (again, assuming 8 year deal).

 

[waitin425]

Well looks like we agree here lol.

But just to elaborate, you're not factoring the increase in salary cap over the next 4 years, the cap is projected to increase as much as 10M between now and 2026.

This has to be factored into any/every extension.

You can't exclusively use salary figures from 2021/2022 when you're negotiating a deal that's going to kick in, in 2023 and set to expire in 2031 (assuming it's an 8 year deal)

As a baseline sure...but the important figure isn't the AAV, it's the % of what Suzuki and Norris make in relation to the salary cap.

Suzuki is currently worth 9.5% of the Montreal Canadiens salary cap which is at 82.5M
Norris is currently worth 9.6% of the Ottawa Senators salary cap which is at 82.5M

If the cap is projected to be at 86.5M in 2026.

That = roughly 8.2M per year as a baseline for any perspective long term extension for Caufield*

*unless of course he chooses to take a discount

Suzuki wasn't signed based on what the cap will look like in 2024 and Norris wasn't signed based on what it will look like in 2025.

If the negotiations take place throughout this season into the summer, itll be based on 2023 values. If Cole wants to see what the cap looks like in 2026....He will sign a bridge deal to get him to that point. It will all be based on what he and his agent decide to focus on.

My hope is the Habs go after him for the 8 years and Cole jumps at the prospect of making something like 8 x 8. He could potentially go for another 7 or 8 year deal when he turns 30. That is the option I would personally go for if I was Cole. Two 8 year contracts in my career. The first for 64 mil. The second for some astronomical number if I am willing to bet on myself as a consistent 40 + goal scorer over my first 8 year contract.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Debatable...i'm just spitballing here, trying to see it from both the player and teams perspective.

Like I said above, I think somewhere in the 8.25-8.5M range is likely going to be where it ends up being (again, assuming 8 year deal).

We will see. I think it's going to be difficult to push well north of $8M AAV on the 8 year term. We all know he is tracking 30-40 goals but where does his points fall?

I think he has to have a monster break out year and look way better than Suzuki (in all of goals, assists, and points) for him to get as high as you and others are pondering about.

 

[417]

Suzuki wasn't signed based on what the cap will look like in 2024 and Norris wasn't signed based on what it will look like in 2025.

He was signed when they had no idea what cap projections would look like, they were in a flat cap.

That factor no longer exists.

If the negotiations take place throughout this season into the summer, itll be based on 2023 values. If Cole wants to see what the cap looks like in 2026....He will sign a bridge deal to get him to that point. It will all be based on what he and his agent decide to focus on.

Yes, i'm sure that's what the Montreal Canadiens will try to argue.

But as I said earlier, if Cole Caufield's agent is worth anything, he's going to use the cap increase to negotiate.

My hope is the Habs go after him for the 8 years and Cole jumps at the prospect of making something like 8 x 8. He could potentially go for another 7 or 8 year deal when he turns 30. That is the option I would personally go for if I was Cole. Two 8 year contracts in my career. The first for 64 mil. The second for some astronomical number if I am willing to bet on myself as a consistent 40 + goal scorer over my first 8 year contract.

Again, I think all of this is for nothing...whether he signs for 7.8M or 8.5M or 9M.

I don't personally care. He's a cornerstone player, he's going to make a lot of money.

That's how it works

We will see. I think it's going to be difficult to push well north of $8M AAV on the 8 year term. We all know he is tracking 30-40 goals but where does his points fall?

I think he has to have a monster break out year and look way better than Suzuki (in all of goals, assists, and points) for him to get as high as you and others are pondering about.

I just think that's where the market is heading.

Like you said, we'll see...but IF they sign him for 8 years...my guess is 8.25-8.5M as baseline.

 

[Skip Bayless]

He worked on his shot

 

[rik schau]

I originally chose 30 as a minimum but after the first game,30 would feel like a bit of a letdown now.

 

[rik schau]

Short King Szn

How do you pronounce SZN? I tried,almost broke my tongue.lol.
Think it's the sound you hear when a bumblebee zooms past your ear.lol.

24 coles in his last 38 games

They calling him NAT yet? some will eventually get it.lol

 

[Redux91]

One of the secret weapons we have when it's going to come to this Caufield contract IS in fact this interesting Suzuki contract, that could start being a bargain in 2 years even
But for now, it's the ceiling, the barometer

You want to make more than Nick, you better be SPECIAL special, (which Cole is lol) but even 40 goals cant shoot him passed 9 mill
And like others have said, 10-11 mill? That's only if 50g, which you would be happy to pay anyway if that happens

But odds are he tops out around 40 this year
It's up to him just how comfortable he would be getting THAT much more money than his close friend and team captain and someone he really looks up to AND even one of the main reasons he COULD ever hit 40 or 50, is being attached to Suzuki

Perfect world its 8x8
8x8.5 is acceptable
8x9 is the limit WHILE he hasnt touched 50 yet, if they literally wait all year and he hits 50, you kiss 8×9 good bye

So hopefully this gets done in the next 4 months or so

 

[Supersonic]

How do you pronounce SZN? I tried,almost broke my tongue.lol.
Think it's the sound you hear when a bumblebee zooms past your ear.lol.


They calling him NAT yet? some will eventually get it.lol

It’s short for season ! It’s a gen z term. As an aging millennial it helps me feel better about turning 30

 

[rik schau]

It’s short for season ! It’s a gen z term. As an aging millennial it helps me feel better about turning 30

k

 

[yianik]

I would like to see it done before the end of the season. Do not need any excitement over an offer sheet, though I would like to think he will turn one down. He seems to be having a blast. has a coach that is great for him and has a centre he has high level chemistry with. and seems to be a pal. and he will be paid here.

 

[tooji]

The last 40-goal scorer in Montreal was Vincent Damphousse back in 1994. 28 years. Caulfield breaking that would be a monumental achievement.

 

[Theosis]

I'm hoping he'll sign a contract similar to Suzuki, but of course if he hits 40+ goals, he might be asking for the moon.

Although, I feel like he's the type of person that would be okay with a similar contract as Suzuki and get this team competitive going forward (or I guess at least I'm hoping )

 

[rik schau]

The last 40-goal scorer in Montreal was Vincent Damphousse back in 1994. 28 years. Caulfield breaking that would be a monumental achievement.

I haven't seen hands like his in Montreal since the time I inadvertently ended up in an Asian massage parlor of questionable repute.lol.