Confirmed Trade: [COL/SJS] Mackenzie Blackwood, Givani Smith, 2027 5th for Alexandar Georgiev (14% ret.), Nikolai Kovalenko, 2026 2nd, cond. 2025 4th

Stephen

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I sure hope for the Sharks sake they don't plan on having Georgiev mentor Askarov. As a Kings fan I sure hope they do

If the Georgiev to Shesterkin relationship was any indication this will give Askarov an easy goalie partner to surpass. Don’t do what Georgie-V does… kind of thing.
 

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Avs really saw Blackwood/Wedgewood in NJ and said yup, I want that goalie duo that gave up the 3rd most goals in 2019/2020 and 4th most goals in 2020/2021.

This might trigger my PTSD, but here were the Devils defenses for those seasons:

2019-20
LHD: Greene (solid but 37), Mueller (out of the NHL after that season), Butcher (defensive warts started to stick out, out of the NHL soon after)
RHD: Subban (injuries caused his play to fall off a cliff), Severson (solid, but was forced to play left side at times), Vatanen (was still okay that year, but out of the NHL soon after)

2020-21
LHD: Smith (rookie, unfortunately already out of the NHL), Murray (out of the NHL partly due to injuries), Butcher (out of the NHL by 2022)
RHD: Subban (out of the NHL by 2022)-Severson-Vatanen (last season in the NHL)
 
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Shane Diesel

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If Kuemper was so great why did the Avs get rid of him? Surely you'd want to keep a cup winning goalie instead of continuing a rotating cast of other teams backups? Why did Washington trade him in a salary dump for salary dump trade?

The salary cap, heard of it by chance? And I don't give a shit about Washington, the discussion is Kuemper on the Avs. Stop moving the goalposts.

By all means keep yapping about how you think I'm wrong, but all the made up fancy stats you can pull outta your ass don't negate the facts above.
Neither I, nor Colorado, can increase the cap unilaterally.

"The numbers don't agree with me, so the stats are wrong." Really knocking out the HF clichés, aren't you?
 

The Pwnerer

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Correct me I'm wrong Devil fans, but Blackwood came out hot on very weak Devil teams and was viewed to be the potential franchise goalie. Even drawing comparisons to the rival Rangers goalie (Shesterkin). Then seemingly injuries hit and he started to lose the net in the final year with you guys.

I can see a lot of untapped potential here. Like a Adin Hill type bump up in productivity.
 
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JKG33

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The salary cap, heard of it by chance? And I don't give a shit about Washington, the discussion is Kuemper on the Avs. Stop moving the goalposts.


Neither I, nor Colorado, can increase the cap unilaterally.

"The numbers don't agree with me, so the stats are wrong." Really knocking out the HF clichés, aren't you?
No, the discussion has always been about Keimper being a mid goalie. I didn't move shit. You're the one trying to pigeon hole the argument by stat watching the regular season while completely ignoring playoffs.

You know who else looked good in the regular season for the Avs? Grubauer before Keumper got there, and Georgiev the year after.

If the Avs would've thought Kuemper was the guy they would've made room to pay him like Vegas did with Hill
 

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0.903 career SV% goaltender (24 years old)
0.906 career SV% goaltender (28)

In:
0.906 career SV% goaltender (32)
0.905 career SV% goaltender (28)

In one of Bednar's post games he mentioned locker room issues (personality). So I guess this is addition by subtraction for the Avs. But sure looks mediocre on paper.

They had to do something. This was something?
 
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Correct me I'm wrong Devil fans, but Blackwood came out hot on very weak Devil teams and was viewed to be the potential franchise goalie. Even drawing comparisons to the rival Rangers goalie (Shesterkin). Then seemingly injuries hit and he started to lose the net in the final year with you guys.

I can see a lot of untapped potential here. Like a Adin Hill type bump up in productivity.
No - Blackwood was never seriously compared to Shesterkin or Sorokin. He was linked more with Carter Hart.
 
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Massive upgrade for the Avs, but there is still cause for concern with them. Their 5-on-5 goals% is 23rd in the league, sandwiched between the Ducks and Senators.
 

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In one of Bednar's post games he mentioned locker room issues (personality). So I guess this is addition by subtraction for the Avs. But sure looks mediocre on paper.

They had to do something. This was something?
Can Avalanche fans chime in on this? Was it actually getting so bad that it created locker room issues? Or was it just the personality and nothing to do with his play? Probably a perfect storm of both I'd imagine. You can survive being terrible on a team if you have a good personality.
 

Shane Diesel

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No, the discussion has always been about Keimper being a mid goalie. I didn't move shit. You're the one trying to pigeon hole the argument by stat watching the regular season while completely ignoring playoffs.
And I've provided you two sources that say otherwise. The next link you post will be your first. All I've gotten in return is "trust me bro."

Yes, one playoff run negates everything else. I understand.

You know who else looked good in the regular season for the Avs? Grubauer before Keumper got there, and Georgiev the year after.

I know, you've got to cling to the 20 playoff games while ignoring the 167 games or so of great regular season numbers for you to have a semblance of an argument.

20>167 in your world.

If the Avs would've thought Kuemper was the guy they would've made room to pay him like Vegas did with Hill
Nah, they had Nichushkin and MacKinnon to re-sign. I'll take them over a 32 year old Kuemper (at the time) who most likely had played his best hockey at that point in his career. And with 20/20 hindsight the FO nailed it.
 
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PattyLafontaine

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I feel bad for Sharks fans. Why trade away a goalie that is playing well and starting to build a winning athmosphere for a 2nd round pick and a mid type prospect.

Because the Sharks need a top 4 pick and Blackwood is one of the reasons they're not the worst or second worst team in the NHL.
 

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Out:
0.903 career SV% goaltender (24 years old)
0.906 career SV% goaltender (28)

In:
0.906 career SV% goaltender (32)
0.905 career SV% goaltender (28)
The bigger picture of the Avs goaltending situation is really not quantifiable by raw SV% stats. And the age things is irrelevant - if anything, having an older, more experienced pure backup is seen as beneficial. Blackwood and Georgiev are the same age so there's no real "upgrade or downgrade" there.

I'm not saying Blackwood is going to solve everything (nor my preferred choice) - but this is a poor way to evaluate what was going on in net in Denver.
 

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Can Avalanche fans chime in on this? Was it actually getting so bad that it created locker room issues? Or was it just the personality and nothing to do with his play? Probably a perfect storm of both I'd imagine. You can survive being terrible on a team if you have a good personality.

Colorado did everything to get Blackwood.

They gave extra good.

Kovalenko and a goalie for goalie Blackwood.
 

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Getting rid of a toxic asshole like Georgiev is the biggest win for Avs here IMO. Blackwood could surprise and have a good year too, who knows.

If I was Sharks I'd look at sending Georgiev immediately to where the sun doesn't shine.
 

JKG33

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And I've provided you two sources that say otherwise. The next link you post will be your first. All I've gotten in return is "trust me bro."

Yes, one playoff run negates everything else. I understand.



I know, you've got to cling to the 20 playoff games while ignoring the 167 games or so of great regular season numbers for you to have a semblance of an argument.

20>167 in your world.


Nah, they had Nichushkin and MacKinnon to re-sign. I'll take them over a 32 year old Kuemper (at the time) who most likely had played his best hockey at that point in his career. And with 20/20 hindsight the FO nailed it.
Yes, playoffs>Regular Season.

Oh look, you again conviently ignore Grubauer and Georgiev who also at times looked great on the Avs.

Yea, they realized they were fine with dime a dozen 1B's and backups, which Kuemper also was so why pay him like a starter. Washington f***ed around and found out on that one
 

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