Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] D Devon Toews signs extension with the Avalanche (7 years, $7.25M AAV)

[blueandgoldguy]

They got paid for potential and the expectation they will be elite on all those years

Toews if he follows most players trends will be not worth 7.25M in years 5-7 (35 to 37 age seasons)

That along with Powers and Sanderson having high draft pedigree and potential at peak play being a bit higher than Toews (10th to 25th best D in the league vs those guys who could be top 5D if everything goes right)

Pretty unlikely as $7.25 million now will be like $4.5 -5 million 5 years from now given the rise in the salary cap. Probably the price for a good #3 or #4 d-man at that point. I'm sure he will still be that goo then.

This is a great deal for the Avs.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

Hindsight genius. I was ok because I thought they were choosing Leddy. They ended up trading Leddy. Should have just kept Toews,re-signed him, and traded Leddy sooner.

Thats not how reputable analysis works and I hate how so many people think in these terms. its lazy and disingenuous.

You judge things based on all the information you are privy to at that moment. Then you measure/debate the degree of REASONABILITY that very decision would be, in the moment.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Pretty unlikely as $7.25 million now will be like $4.5 -5 million 5 years from now given the rise in the salary cap. Probably the price for a good #3 or #4 d-man at that point. I'm sure he will still be that goo then.

This is a great deal for the Avs.

You think the cap is going to rise 40 million in 5 years?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

God dammit Sakic.

 

[jackjohnson]

Maybe you should be more concerned with how you look when you claim Toews is just a product of Makar, despite all the evidence that proves you wrong. Or how you look claiming things that are easily proven wrong, like that Hughes plays 30 minutes (he really averages less than 26 per game).

I also don't know how being the Canucks 1D proves anything about Hughes being more than a PP specialist. They literally have the worst PK in the NHL over the last 2 seasons, which are the only two years when Hughes has even PKed (albeit, less than 1:20 per game). For being such an allegedly great "all situations" defenseman, I'd think he'd both play more on the PK and actually make their PK not suck so badly. But, instead, he just gets a bunch of PP assists while his team misses the playoffs.

So you want me to claim Toews is not a product of Makar and Avs all star team and at the same time you say Hughes is a PP specialist lol. I think you should take your own advice and be more concerned on how you look when you claim Hughes is just a PP specialist because it does make you look down right ignorant especially when he was 2nd in points last year. The PK also takes a whole unit to kill and need your number 1 goalie in there and not a goalie who is an AHLer and lacks experience playing majority of the games last year. I guess you don't look at those factors but you want me to look at Toews in a vaccum of how good he is. Typical Avs fans response.

 

[BlueOil]

ah dang, smart signing for both parties

was hoping the avs would continue their frugal offseason ways and let him test the open market

 

[StewieP19]

You think the cap is going to rise 40 million in 5 years?

No the cap will rise around 7 M minimum to 12 M
But If Colorado left Toews hit the free agency, he can easily have 9M per year.
Now he's a top 20 def in the league. If you look him play his contract will be good for a minimum of 4 years after all depend how the cap will grow

 

[CupofOil]

Absolute steal of a deal which pisses me off as a fan of the team that paid Darnell Nurse $9.25m.

 

[McJedi]

Toews is a significantly better defender than several guys that do or will make more than him in the next year. You''ve got what is a de-facto low end #1 defender making $7.25MM. A case can be made he's around the 20th best defender in the NHL. More likely to be rated higher than 20 than lower by various GMs.

Excellent deal for the Avs. His game should age well. Toews is a good skater/athlete, but his greatest attributes are his hockey IQ, positioning/gap control and ability to read and jump passing lanes. Toews doesn't rely on insane athletic ability like Makar has.

It's also Landy's money so the Avs are signaling (IMO) that Gabriel's days in the NHL are probably done and LTIR will be his home going forward.

 

[Bender]

The Hockey Guy runs his Youtube channel for a living, he watches and recaps every game. His opinion is just one man's (which he points out both in the video and in its title), but it is a unique one because of how much NHL hockey he consumes.

Thought I disagree with his opinion in this case, he is generally very neutral and objective. If I recall correctly, he said in a later video that had he done a top-40 defensemen, both Byram and Toews would've made the list.

Which is a joke in itself. Byram - at this current time - doesn't belong anywhere near the Top-50. He had a great playoff during the Avs run but he's just not there yet but at age 22 still has a ways to go.

Anyone can make a list. Anyone can make a YouTube channel and provide an opinion. Just because he watches a lot of hockey doesn't mean he's an expert on the sport. His Top-5 is fine but Erik Karlsson at #6 is ridiculous and stupid. How much hockey do you have to watch to be able to comprehend that EK completely ignored playing any semblance of DEFENSE and played rover all last year to get those points and still finished a -26 on the season with his team not even coming close to the playoffs. Oh yeah, he's SOOOOO good that the team trading him got a mid-first round pick in 2024 AND had to take on a bunch of garbage contracts just to get rid of him. Anyone that has EK in his Top-10 doesn't truly know hockey, sorry.

Pretty much everyone who watches hockey, can agree that Toews is a Top-10 to Top-20 D-Man in the NHL. Some will have him higher than that - some will have him a bit lower but if he's not inside someone's Top-30, kind of have to question that person's ability to evaluate talent.

 

[saintunspecified]

Couple things - Devon Toews is probably a younger 29 than average given his development, and if/when his mobility is diminished it will have a huge impact on his game. In the short term the deal is very good for the Avs. The back end of the deal is imo unlikely to be a hinderance even if he is diminished - bc the rest of the roster will likely also be ground down by long playoff runs.

 

[AslanRH]

He's no Orlov

 

[Kranix]

Lou doesn't care about this. Probably forgot about the player

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

So you want me to claim Toews is not a product of Makar and Avs all star team and at the same time you say Hughes is a PP specialist lol. I think you should take your own advice and be more concerned on how you look when you claim Hughes is just a PP specialist because it does make you look down right ignorant especially when he was 2nd in points last year. The PK also takes a whole unit to kill and need your number 1 goalie in there and not a goalie who is an AHLer and lacks experience playing majority of the games last year. I guess you don't look at those factors but you want me to look at Toews in a vaccum of how good he is. Typical Avs fans response.

So, the guy who led all defensemen in PP assists last year isn't a PP assists specialist because all those PP assists help him tie for 2nd in total points? And his defensive skills aren't suspect because the whole team sucks, not just him?

 

[Linds]

So, the guy who led all defensemen in PP assists last year isn't a PP assists specialist because all those PP assists help him tie for 2nd in total points? And his defensive skills aren't suspect because the whole team sucks, not just him?

This poster you've replied to is clueless. He's been arguing for 5 thread pages and numerous non Avs fans have proved him wrong, yet he just keeps going and is now changed the thread topic to a different player

 

[BostonBruins11]

Didn't realize he was 29... time flies.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Didn't realize he was 29... time flies.

He's only been in the NHL for 4 1/2 seasons (plus 2 games so far this year).

 

[blueandgoldguy]

You think the cap is going to rise 40 million in 5 years?

It doesn't need to rise $40 million. Around $20 million would make that contract appear to be in the $5 - $5.5 million range. The majority of cap increases accrue to the better players - top 6 forwards and top-4 d-men.

 

[Brookbank]

I rhetorically stated that he was struggling. Am I mistaken ? Is he playing good ?

 

[Mighty Makar]

I rhetorically stated that he was struggling. Am I mistaken ? Is he playing good ?

We have an AHL roster, but I do think he is struggling. 10-12 games in. Not worried.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Avs goalies have the highest GA in the league and Toews has played 9 games with some injury. He's not Toews from 3 years ago, but he's perfectly fine given the play of the team as a whole and injuries so far.

 

[BKarchitect]

Gotta love the 10 game bumps by insecure rival fans who “are just trying to point out this seemingly random player is struggling (while injured….anecdotally)” but they proceed to give the 10 game sample from a player on their team as an example of “look at me! Look at MY teams player 10 games in!”

 

[Brookbank]

Gotta love the 10 game bumps by insecure rival fans who “are just trying to point out this seemingly random player is struggling (while injured….anecdotally)” but they proceed to give the 10 game sample from a player on their team as an example of “look at me! Look at MY teams player 10 games in!”

Nah not really. The Hronek Toews comparison was being made at the time of their contracts.

 

[SI90]

Agreed. They should trade him back to my islanders immediately

 

[Fatass]

Toews will be compared to Hronek because both get to play with a phenom. Clearly both guys are propped up by playing with D partners who are proving to be two of the best we’ve seen. IMO Towes does carry more weight defensively because Makar’s go to offensive play is to carry the puck whereas Hughes is more of a passer to move the puck so he’s in better defensive position. GMs who are smart find the best partner to fit with their number one D. It’s obvious both GMs did great in this regard.