Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago

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I guess I'll be the dissenter and say that usually when there's this much smoke, a fire isn't far away.
I begrudgingly agree with this. I’ve come around to the likelihood that they will in fact flip him to the highest bidder or keep him and he walks.

When Friedman has mentioned the possibility multiple times, there’s something to it.
 
I begrudgingly agree with this. I’ve come around to the likelihood that they will in fact flip him to the highest bidder or keep him and he walks.

When Friedman has mentioned the possibility multiple times, there’s something to it.
It's not a hard possibility to come to through even without talking to anyone in the Canes organization.

They traded for Guentzel, couldn't sign him so they lost him. Trade for Rantanen without an extension. They don't want to get caught in that situation again since they have the opportunity to get back more assets then just a 3rd round pick for his rights so they're looking into it.

You don't have to actually have any connections anywhere to reach that possibility. We can't discount the idea that he's heard from someone in the Org that this is a possibility obviously but as To Be Determined mentioned early, this trade came out of nowhere after months of talk. The idea that the Canes are now leaking like a faucet seems sketchy at best.

Given that Rantanen was/is probably the biggest potential fish at the deadline they have to bring up something to drive interest in the Trade deadline again.
 
Everything Tulsky has said suggests there is no chance we trade him, unless I suppose Mikko flat out tells us there is no scenario whatsoever that he'd re-sign here regardless of the offer. Which sure could be possible but really wouldn't make any sense as he doesn't even know what his options are and we can offer him 8 years, are seemingly willing to meet his asking price, are a perennial contender and have his Finnish buddies here. But it's been alluded to plenty that we need to work on convincing him to stay and we have plenty of time to continue to do so after the trade deadline -- a playoff run would especially help.

I don't have any clue what will happen past this year, but I'd be shocked if we moved him at the deadline. Mikko is hard to read but I still think we'll wind up giving 8 years at whatever $ he wants and he'll stay.
 
I have no inside info. I dont know any limo or cab drivers and I have no family members that sat next to anyone connected with the Canes or Mikko. But I find it very hard to believe he would drop money on a necklace with his number and the Canes logo or buy Roslovic a watch if he didn't plan to at least be here through the end of the season.

But what do I know!
 
I don’t even necessarily disagree with the fact that he could be flipped, but don’t trust these guys as far as you can throw them. This speculation is pure and not informed speculation. Canes fans have more insight into how this particular situation plays out given how little the insiders know.
 
I don’t even necessarily disagree with the fact that he could be flipped, but don’t trust these guys as far as you can throw them. This speculation is pure and not informed speculation. Canes fans have more insight into how this particular situation plays out given how little the insiders know.

Canes fans know nothing. They know what they hope is the scenario, but outside of those who may have some connection to the organization, they're speculating more than the insiders. At least the insiders have more reliable sources than the average fan.
 
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Canes fans know nothing. They know what they hope is the scenario, but outside of those who may have some connection to the organization, they're speculating more than the insiders. At least the insiders have more reliable sources than the average fan.
Yes, but are reliable sources telling the insiders anything in this scenario?

Given how little they knew about the previous trade talks regarding Rantanen and didn't see the trade itself coming at all, signs point to no.
 
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Yes, but are reliable sources telling the insiders anything in this scenario?

Given how little they knew about the previous trade talks regarding Rantanen and didn't see the trade itself coming at all, signs point to no.

Different scenarios. Both organizations kept the original trade close to the chest to allow the players to play without it hanging over their heads and to ensure nothing fell through. If we are exploring a Rantanen trade, it’s much more difficult to keep that under wraps, simply because we’d be contacting multiple organizations in a short period of time, and the need for secrecy isn’t as important. Inevitably, something is going to shake loose.

In addition, an insider may have a very tenuous source in one organization, but a much stronger source in another. So if the stronger source’s organization wasn’t involved in the original trade, but may be contacted about this deadline trade, the insider would have better info.
 
Canes fans know nothing. They know what they hope is the scenario, but outside of those who may have some connection to the organization, they're speculating more than the insiders. At least the insiders have more reliable sources than the average fan.
I’m just speaking to this specific scenario, there are times when it’s clear that insiders are clued in and are hours ahead or on the rare occasion days ahead of news that will break, but the Rantanen flipped before the deadline story is purely speculative. The only times anyone should even think about paying attention to these guys are when you read “I’m being told x deal has has happened or is on the brink of happening”and that everything else is BS because they need constant narratives to justify a year long job that consists of maybe 4-5 yearly hours of relevant “insider scoop” time.
 
I mean, saying he won't sign here isn't that big of a hot take. He'll either sign here or he won't, and all else equal if I were him I'd check out free agency first.

I do think they'll keep him as a rental even if he indicates he'll be testing fa, he's the kind of player than can break through in the playoffs, and this core has desperately needed someone, anyone, to go on a tear at the most important time of the year.
 
The norovirus and the 2 week break came at just the right time to heighten everyone’s anxieties about all of this.

Hoping he can just settle in coming out of the break and we can put all this to bed.
Games against Toronto always seem to be crazy, would be awesome for Rantanen to come out the two game Canada trip with 4+ points and a dominant showing.
 
We were always a long shot to sign him. That’s the part I struggled with considering the trade. I’m fine that we shopped Necas around for years trying to land a big fish despite me preferring he stay. It was obvious he wasn’t a great fit for better or for worse. My issue was trading him for a rental with zero negotiations ahead of time. I hate front line rentals in general, it’s fine for role players but changing your whole chemistry for a couple of months never made sense to me.

Necas should’ve been used for something concrete. If Rants is a rental I’d have trouble making a list of higher prices paid for a rental in modern history. Last years trade was already close to the top of the list. This would be twice we paid a very high rental price for a guy we hadn’t said a word to in advance.

It a big target comes up in the near future we are a lesser contender for that player based on assets.

Then there’s the cost of the contract. It’s early and we have reasons to still be hopeful but you all have seen now that Rants doesn’t drive play much. He’s super strong on the boards when he can stay on his feet, he’s great with possession/poise and he’s a true sniper. A player like that does have value but it’s probably closer to what Jake makes than the numbers we’re talking about. They’re similar and very different at the same time - but I’ve watched them both a lot and to me they have similar impact. I don’t know that 13 million or whatever it is fits what he’s going to bring for us. If he’s above ppg he’ll be doing well for us, and he’s very expensive for that kind of production.

There’s a lot of similarities to JR trading for Shanny back in Whaler days.
 
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We should just give him what he wants even if its an overpay. Right now the perception is we've mishandled multiple trade attempts, trades and retaining some of our better players. Dundon and our GM(s) look inept.
 
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We should just give him what he wants even if its an overpay. Right now the perception is we've mishandled multiple trade attempts, trades and retaining some of our better players. Dundon and our GM(s) look inept.
Whether in hindsight it ends up being the right or wrong thing to do, I feel like this is the direction I'm expecting them to go in. Whiffing in back to back years with the opportunity to hook the big fish long term, all while the team is strongly contending, would not be something I'd want to talk my way out of. Oh and this time it was at the cost of two popular roster players (one of who is looking absolutely incredible with his new team and was also already under contract for next season.)

Again - not sure how it'll end up looking in retrospect, but there's no way they let it happen again, right?
 
We were always a long shot to sign him. That’s the part I struggled with considering the trade. I’m fine that we shopped Necas around for years trying to land a big fish despite me preferring he stay. It was obvious he wasn’t a great fit for better or for worse. My issue was trading him for a rental with zero negotiations ahead of time. I hate front line rentals in general, it’s fine for role players but changing your whole chemistry for a couple of months never made sense to me.

Necas should’ve been used for something concrete. If Rants is a rental I’d have trouble making a list of higher prices paid for a rental in modern history. Last years trade was already close to the top of the list. This would be twice we paid a very high rental price for a guy we hadn’t said a word to in advance.

It a big target comes up in the near future we are a lesser contender for that player based on assets.

Then there’s the cost of the contract. It’s early and we have reasons to still be hopeful but you all have seen now that Rants doesn’t drive play much. He’s super strong on the boards when he can stay on his feet, he’s great with possession/poise and he’s a true sniper. A player like that does have value but it’s probably closer to what Jake makes than the numbers we’re talking about. They’re similar and very different at the same time - but I’ve watched them both a lot and to me they have similar impact. I don’t know that 13 million or whatever it is fits what he’s going to bring for us. If he’s above ppg he’ll be doing well for us, and he’s very expensive for that kind of production.

There’s a lot of similarities to JR trading for Shanny back in Whaler days.
So you’re saying one piece of this trade on the Carolina end 2 further trades removed will captain the team to a cup and then become their winningest coach? Thats a bold assumption, but I like it.
 
We should just give him what he wants even if it’s an overpay. Right now the perception is we've mishandled multiple trade attempts, trades and retaining some of our better players. Dundon and our GM(s) look inept.
If thet don’t sign Rantanen it’ll be because he doesn’t want to sign here. With how long we’ve needed a player like him and the cap space they’ll meet whatever number he has in mind.
 
Does anyone find it interesting that he’s kept his agent? If he was really totally blindsided by the trade as a result of a failed negotiation with CO? I think the agent is the wildcard in this situation as well.

I can’t see the Canes trading him at the TDL even if they suspect he won’t stay. I say this based on Tulsky’s “we like to roll the dice and only sometimes win” comments when the trade occurred. They still will have received some short term gains until season’s end. I noticed the ticket prices bumped up after the signing after lagging for a while. Cleaning up the mess with fans won’t be fun if he bounces without a trophy though.
 

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