Proposal: Col - Car

[Boom Boom Apathy]

@joemavs. Since we are ending this "Hanifin/Duchene/MacKinnon" discussion. Given they are similar age and similar contract terms (1 year different), then I assume you'd be fine for a Faulk for Duchene deal?

 

[JoemAvs]

@joemavs. Since we are ending this "Hanifin/Duchene/MacKinnon" discussion. Given they are similar age and similar contract terms (1 year different), then I assume you'd be fine for a Faulk for Duchene deal?

Does not make sense for the Avs with Barrie and EJ already on the roster occupying our top two RD spots.


We would have to trade one or both of them as well in addition to giving up Duchene for him in the first place to make it work.

And Faulk IMO is not good enough (defensively) to justify doing all that.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Does not make sense for the Avs with Barrie and EJ already on the roster occupying our top two RD spots.


We would have to trade one or both of them as well in addition to giving up Duchene for him in the first place.

And Faulk IMO is not good enough (defensively) to justify doing all that.

Fair enough. If Canes were going to move Faulk, EDM would probably be a much better trading partner.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think Ward is a little below average but can show flashes of greatness and at 32 he probably still has a few years left in him. But there really wont even be a better time than now to upgrade in goal. These past playoffs showed that competitive teams really need 2 good goalies if they want to go far but because of the expansion draft teams that have 2 good goalies dont want to lose 1 for nothing. So right now there are a lot of great goaltenders available but that will probably change right after the expansion draft where they will be a sought after commodity.

The Dmen I am most interested in learning more about (was Slavin), Pesce, Fleury, Tennyson and Mckeown. At least where you feel they are at, probability they could be moved and for what price. I really am not interested in the big guys as that's not a realistic target for the Avs.

Also wanted to say thanks for the conversation, you aren't always able to find knowledgeable people that can give you a good run of teams situations (although most people think they can) and I appreciate you filling me in on where the Canes are at.

Carolina needs both Slavin and Pesce moving forward, so I think something really good would have to come back in return to acquire either.

Carolina is not void of offensive prospects, with the likes of Roy, Gauthier, Saarela, and Kuokkanen in the system. Thus, I think if you see Fleury or McKeown dealt, it won’t be in a prospect swap, but instead they’ll be a secondary piece in a trade for quality NHL forward.

Tennyson may or may not get an extension. It depends on how he finishes the year.

 

[JoemAvs]

Fair enough. If Canes were going to move Faulk, EDM would probably be a much better trading partner.

I absolutely agree. Although I fear that you might run into the same problem as we just did with Edmonton.

You probably would want Draisaitl for Faulk which they probably would not want to do (unless things fall apart for them again but right now it looks like they are on a good track) while they would want to get Faulk for RNH which IMO would be a bad move for the Canes.

The wildcard could be Puljujärvi but who knows what he will become and he is only a winger afterall.

There is a reason why those 1 for 1 swaps almost never happen. It is damn hard to pull them off.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I absolutely agree. Although I fear that you might run into the same problem as we just did with Edmonton.

You probably would want Draisaitl for Faulk which they probably would not want to do (unless things fall apart for them again but right now it looks like they are on a good track) while they will insist on getting Faulk for RNH.

The wildcard would be Puljujärvi but who knows what he will become.

Yep, that's definitely a concern. It's a bit of a catch-22. Although he's struggled a bit this year due to injuries, Faulk was 4th on the team the past 2 seasons for goals scored. Getting a forward to help with "goal scoring" will be offset by the loss of his goals.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

How about Carolina just wins the lottery, drafts Patrick and keeps all of the defensemen?

Aho - Patrick - Saarela
Skinner - Rask - Gauthier
Kuokkanen - Staal - Lindholm
TT - Roy

Hanifin - Faulk
Slavin - Pesce
Fleury - McKeown
Bean

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

How about Carolina just wins the lottery, drafts Patrick and keeps all of the defensemen?

Aho - Patrick - Saarela
Skinner - Rask - Gauthier
Kuokkanen - Staal - Lindholm
TT - Roy

Hanifin - Faulk
Slavin - Pesce
Fleury - McKeown
Bean

So we win the lottery AND all of our prospects pan out? I guess one can dream.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

^

The discussion was getting too realistic in this thread.

 

[Meeqs]

Carolina needs both Slavin and Pesce moving forward, so I think something really good would have to come back in return to acquire either.

Carolina is not void of offensive prospects, with the likes of Roy, Gauthier, Saarela, and Kuokkanen in the system. Thus, I think if you see Fleury or McKeown dealt, it won’t be in a prospect swap, but instead they’ll be a secondary piece in a trade for quality NHL forward.

Tennyson may or may not get an extension. It depends on how he finishes the year.

Haha thats so sad to hear, but more or less what I expected. Avs need a Slavin/Pesce so badly atm I was hoping one of the prospects would be doing well enough to push one of them into being available.

I'm not sure where Fleury or Mckeown are at in their development, or stylistically how they play but with the depth at center, Soderberg may become an option for the Canes to nab. Guy is probably the ideal 3c, which you said the Canes would be looking for.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Looking at stats/advanced stats show just how solid Slavin/Pesce have been defensively. Their GA/60, PK, shot blocking, Shot suppression, and possession are in the top 20 in the league for most of those categories. Pretty remarkable for two 2nd year guys who are 21 and 22.

 

[JoemAvs]

How about Carolina just wins the lottery, drafts Patrick and keeps all of the defensemen?

Aho - Patrick - Saarela
Skinner - Rask - Gauthier
Kuokkanen - Staal - Lindholm
TT - Roy

Hanifin - Faulk
Slavin - Pesce
Fleury - McKeown
Bean

I'll gladly let you have him (even if we finish last) if you can guarantee me the #1 pick for the Avs in 2018 in return.

No offense to Hanifin but Rasmus Dahlin looks a lot shinier than him right now (and again I love Hanifin. But that kid looks like Lidstrom).


Ping pong balls can fix a lot of issues. But sadly they usually don't bounce your way when you need them to (unless you are the freaking Oilers of course..)...

 

[Meeqs]

^

The discussion was getting too realistic in this thread.

One of the reasons I'm so down about the Avs incredible wave of bad luck this year is the draft is so weak. Nolan Patrick isn't even that good. Makes me sad. Hopefully the Ello/eelo kid whose name I can never spell breaks out big time

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Haha thats so sad to hear, but more or less what I expected. Avs need a Slavin/Pesce so badly atm I was hoping one of the prospects would be doing well enough to push one of them into being available.

I'm not sure where Fleury or Mckeown are at in their development, or stylistically how they play but with the depth at center, Soderberg may become an option for the Canes to nab. Guy is probably the ideal 3c, which you said the Canes would be looking for.

Don't think we're going to trade one of our top prospects for a defensive minded 31 year old 3c. Doesn't fit in with a rebuilding team.

 

[Meeqs]

Looking at stats/advanced stats show just how solid Slavin/Pesce have been defensively. Their GA/60, PK, shot blocking, Shot suppression, and possession are in the top 20 in the league for most of those categories. Pretty remarkable for two 2nd year guys who are 21 and 22.

A lot of that has to do with how dominant the Canes are as a possession team in the first place.

Duchene's career CF% sitting at a bit above 50% doesn't seem that surprising until you realize he was on the Avs for all those years and all of a sudden that 50% is ****ing ridiculous.

 

[Meeqs]

Don't think we're going to trade one of our top prospects for a defensive minded 31 year old 3c. Doesn't fit in with a rebuilding team.

Imo with their play over the past 2 years if they really aren't THAT much of a rebuilding team anymore. They have the 1 thing every other team in the NHL is looking for in that Dcore and their on ice play has been very strong. If they can get an actual high end goaltender this year (which should be easy) and some added scoring they will become a very real threat very quickly. Far too many people are sleeping on this team.

Granted they do seriously need an actual #1C but there are a lot of ways you can structure an offense and still be successful when you have the back line Car has.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A lot of that has to do with how dominant the Canes are as a possession team in the first place.

I wouldn't say "a lot". Even with the Canes being a possession team, they are tops on the team in these categories among defensemen, and when other players are way from them, the other players numbers go down significantly. Also, on the PK (which is 1st in the NHL), they also excel. They really are playing well right now defensively and it's not just the Canes system.