[COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

Does Mikko get rained with boos in BOTH Colorado and Carolina? That’s pretty special work to get two fanbases riled up in less than 60 days
I will still be surprised if people in Ball Arena actually boo him. But if they do, I will be intriqued to hear what his former teammates have to say about that.
 
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As more and more details come out, C-Mac did a masterful job with this situation.
The more we learn, the clearer it gets that CMac just didn't want to keep him.

He threw a number at them knowing full well that they'd say no, waited for an answer then turned around and traded his ass. I don't blame him one bit either.
 
We all might have complained about Cmac at some point or another since he got the job but at least we've never lost out on a situation this embarrassing. Get the Hurricanes folded immediately.
 
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By the way, we are kind of lucky on this forum by probably having multiple lawyers on here posting. We actually have another HF Avs member who is a lawyer. I know this because he posted years ago saying that. I don't want to give a name cause maybe it's kind of private.
 
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By the way, we are kind of lucky on this forum by probably having multiple lawyers on here posting. We actually have another HF Avs member who is a lawyer. I know this because he posted years ago saying that. I don't want to give a name cause maybe it's kind of private.

Wtf
 
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Everyone is making Mikko’s agent out to be the bad guy. I'm fairly certain Mikko was kept well apprised of the potential outcomes and had approved the negotiating strategy. I’m also confident that the agent had fully apprised Mikko of the potential for being traded. It was a miscalculation on Mikko and his agent’s part. Anyway, that’s business.

Mikko still had to rely on his agent's guidance and expertise in negotiations though. That's what he's paying them for. He's a hockey player, he doesn't have expertise in this area.

For instance, how much hardball to play with the Avs, and what number should they ask for ($13M+) and how long should they stick to that number? This played a huge role in this process.

Another example is his agent reportedly believing that the Avs asking Mikko which teams he may sign with was a pressure tactic. Which Freidman says is common.

I think the Leafs might have actually tried to do this with Marner.

The Leafs went to Marner to see if he'd waive his NMC, so the next step presumably would be asking him if he'd consider signing with Carolina if he was traded there.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I really doubt Toronto would trade Marner for Mikko, even if he did waive. The city would go nuts and it would be a huge distraction. I think that was the exact same pressure tactic to get him to sign.

Mikko wanted to stay in Colorado, so he's relying on his agent to determine whether this was a bluff/pressure tactic, or legit, and he got that part wrong.

It wasn't a pressure tactic this time, they were being serious, and getting that wrong may have seriously impacted what he and Mikko did in negotiations, and whether he stayed in Colorado or was traded.
 
I think the distraction was Carolina's biggest issue. Now that's gone and they're playing better.

That was self induced though from all the leaks and pressure tactics Carolina used to try to get him to sign. The same kind of leaks they tried to use with Guentzal.

I think Tulsky is just a terrible GM. He took a gamble on Guentzal and lost. Then he tried to take another huge gamble on Mikko even though he told them he was he didn't want to talk about an extension he was just focused on staying in Colorado.

Both times they tried to throw the player under the bus with fans to cover for their mistakes.

He lost the Guentzal gamble, and he lost the Mikko gamble, but Tulsky is either unable to, or unwilling to connect the dots, that both were big gambles, and he should have had more info to go off to make them.

He really wanted to emphasize in his interview that the Guentzal and Mikko situations were different, but they're not really from the decision making process at the time the trades were made.
 
It was a bad fit. But Mikko certainly didn't look like he was trying to fit in to me. He looked like he was sulking after getting traded.

There have been tons of folks speculating that Carolina would have been a great landing spot for him, what with Aho being there and all. Regardless of what he is saying, his actions showed he had no intentions of sticking around in Raleigh. Note: I do not blame him for that. I lived about an hour or so south of Raleigh because the power plant I worked at was 30 miles south of Raleigh. Most folks lived in the city and commuted south. I prefered the small town life of Sanford, NC and commuted north. Raleigh was growing fast in the late 90s. Like the fastest growing metro area in the USA. It was that whole research triangle involving all the colleges in the area that really spurned it all, but I just don't do crowds well.

The problem with such a rapidly growing area is that nobody really has roots and there isn't a sense of community. Without that, it's hard to feel like you belong in an area. Or maybe that was just me. :laugh:
 
I think Tulsky is just a terrible GM. He took a gamble on Guentzal and lost. Then he tried to take another huge gamble on Mikko even though he told them he was he didn't want to talk about an extension he was just focused on staying in Colorado.
Actually Waddell acquired him, but Tulsky was GM in the off season by the time the Canes tried to re-sign him. This is Tulsky's first season as GM after being AGM there forever, so some of this is probably first year growing pains. I don't think he'll put himself in the position again where he acquires two first-rounders too late up against the deadline
 
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I think that trade will age very well for Carolina. Stankoven is a legitimate elite prospect. He's got a lot of Brayden Point in his game. It's weird to say, but I almost think all of these teams will end up looking better after the trades.

If Dallas fails to win the cup this season that contract could become an anchor for them.

Dallas in the short-term won because they still have depth and added elite goal scorer but next season? It will get harder and harder to keep that team together.

Dallas will be much easier opponent after they lose their offensive depth.
 
If Dallas fails to win the cup this season that contract could become an anchor for them.

Dallas in the short-term won because they still have depth and added elite goal scorer but next season? It will get harder and harder to keep that team together.

Dallas will be much easier opponent after they lose their offensive depth.
As long as they continue to draft well they'll have depth. Bourque just graduated and their AHL team has 4-5 U25 players that could potentially make the jump.

Their depth will still take a hit, but they're still going to be a tough opponent for the foreseeable future.
 
If Dallas fails to win the cup this season that contract could become an anchor for them.

Dallas in the short-term won because they still have depth and added elite goal scorer but next season? It will get harder and harder to keep that team together.

Dallas will be much easier opponent after they lose their offensive depth.
Yeah I personally would’ve had a tough time giving Mikko $12mil x 8. He’s a great player, but with MacKinnon making $12.6mil, you’re running out of room quickly. If they can get Necas under $10mil this summer, I think you get that done quickly with the rising cap.
 
Yeah I personally would’ve had a tough time giving Mikko $12mil x 8. He’s a great player, but with MacKinnon making $12.6mil, you’re running out of room quickly. If they can get Necas under $10mil this summer, I think you get that done quickly with the rising cap.
I'd have a hard time paying Mikko 12M because he's no where near as good as Nate. I understand the cap always goes up...but damnit, Mikko did this last time around too. Nate making 6.5M or whatever while Mikko was soaking up 9.8M or whatever.

F this guy. Seriously, there's just no room on a championship team for such a selfish player.
 
If Dallas fails to win the cup this season that contract could become an anchor for them.

Dallas in the short-term won because they still have depth and added elite goal scorer but next season? It will get harder and harder to keep that team together.

Dallas will be much easier opponent after they lose their offensive depth.

Except they aren't the Avs and can actually draft.
 
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Since the trade

Necas: 7 goals and 13 assists for 20 points in 22 games
Drury: 4 goals and 1 assist for 5 points in 22 games

Rantanen: 4 (2 with DAL, 2 with CAR) goals and 6 (2 with DAL, 4 with CAR) assists for 10 points in 19 games
 
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