Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[dahrougem2]

Its legit, I'm trying to stay at 180 with all the fat I'm carrying around these days and I'm only 5'11.

Mittelstadt probably carries more fat than you do.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Mittelstadt probably carries more fat than you do.

I can obviously do more pull ups and push-ups than him. So it's possible lol.

I'm still rockin 10+/50+ at 41 so..

But.. I could do 30/100+ at his age at 5'11 190

 

[Foppa2118]

Mittelstadt probably carries more fat than you do.

Not that he's legit fat, but this is probably true.

That 195 for Mitts is probably a combination of being exaggerated and a little bit of fat because he could only pack on so much lean muscle for his frame, when attempting to get stronger for the NHL.

Where as someone like Nate who's listed as an inch shorter, has way more lean muscle, with a very low body fat percentage, because he naturally adds muscle easier than Mitts.

Not the thread for it, but the problem for Mitts is that if he leans out too much, he can't play the slow the game down, hang onto the puck possession game he wants to play. If he leans out to improve his conditioning he might have to change his style of play too.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Not that he's legit fat, but this is probably true.

That 195 for Mitts is probably a combination of being exaggerated and a little bit of fat because he could only pack on so much lean muscle for his frame, when attempting to get stronger for the NHL.

Where as someone like Nate who's listed as an inch shorter, has way more lean muscle, with a very low body fat percentage, and he also naturally adds muscle easier than Mitts.

Not the thread for it, but the problem for Mitts is that if he leans out too much, he can't play the hang onto the puck possession game he wants to play. If he leans out to improve his conditioning he might have to change his style of play too.

Actually think that's bullshit. He'd be fine more like Drouin, he doesn't get into contact that much. His ability to hang onto the puck is angles, quickness, and intelligence not heaviness.

Jagr had the fat ass, but was lethal fast, and quick with his hands.

Here's the thing with Mitts.. He always adapts, but it always takes him 1 to 2 years at every level.

I can see counting going from Buffalo shit show to us counting lol. I was hoping he'd adapt quicker..

My biggest f***in concern was that he'd hit a wall here being asked to skate harder, and work harder by about 20% consistently.

No one buys into my theory he just can't hang with his current physical conditioning so he looks stupid theory.

We used to practice it in the Army. We'd wake up at 4 am, road march out to the range 6 or 12 miles out and shoot. Immediately. The cadre would all be there, double the normal staff for safety waiting on us, and you get to see how much more difficult it is to perform under timed pressure in that instance.

I think my 5th time doing it in three years I finally showed up and shot expert. Where I always had zero issues from basic shooting that well after one to three runs.

It's a bitch, you have to step up your game, train harder, if you want to be as lethal while under heavy fatigue. It's real, and it isn't easy.

I'm 100% sure this applies to Mikko's game right now too. You can still be elite, and lose percentages off shit. If anything when you're at an elite level the smallest percentage has a higher impact.

 

[Foppa2118]

Actually think that's bullshit. He'd be fine more like Drouin, he doesn't get into contact that much. His ability to hang onto the puck is angles, quickness, and intelligence not heaviness.

Jagr had the fat ass, but was lethal fast, and quick with his hands.

Here's the thing with Mitts.. He always adapts, but it always takes him 1 to 2 years at every level.

I can see counting going from Buffalo shit show to us counting lol. I was hoping he'd adapt quicker..

My biggest f***in concern was that he'd hit a wall here being asked to skate harder, and work harder by about 20% consistently.

No one buys into my theory he just can't hang with his current physical conditioning so he looks stupid theory.

We used to practice it in the Army. We'd wake up at 4 am, road match out to the range 6 or 12 miles out and shoot. Immediately. The cadre would all be there, double the normal staff for safety waiting on us, and you get to see how much more difficult it is to perform under timed pressure in that instance.

I think my 5th time doing it in three years I finally showed up and shot expert. Where I always had zero issues from basic shooting that well after one to three runs.

It's a bitch, you have to step up your game, train harder, if you want to be as lethal while under heavy fatigue. It's real, and it isn't easy.

Mitts doesn't play at all like Drouin though. Drouin darts in and out of holes, moves the puck very quickly, and mostly plays above the goal line with the puck.

Mitts likes to slow the game down, hangs onto the puck like Forsberg, often plays below the goal line, and likes to spin back and forth in the corners and the half wall playing off contact, to draw the opposition to him and open up someone for a pass.

Drouin's style doesn't need to be strong. Mitts kinda does.

If Mitts ups his conditioning, he may lose some muscle, because he's probably a hard gainer of muscle.

If he busts his ass with cardio like you did in the army, I agree he may improve his conditioning, and may adapt to Bednar's system better, but I think he'd probably lose some muscle mass along with the fat, and make his style harder to play, so he'd have to change his style with it. That was my point.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Mitts doesn't play at all like Drouin though. Drouin darts in and out of holes, moves the puck very quickly, and mostly plays above the goal line with the puck.

Mitts likes to slow the game down, hangs onto the puck like Forsberg, often plays below the goal line, and likes to spin back and forth in the corners and the half wall playing off contact, to draw the opposition to him and open up someone for a pass.

Drouin's style doesn't need to be strong. Mitts kinda does.

If Mitts ups his conditioning, he may lose some muscle, because he's probably a hard gainer of muscle.

If he busts his ass with cardio like you did in the army, I agree he may improve his conditioning, and may adapt to Bednar's system better, but I think he'd probably lose some muscle mass along with the fat, and make his style harder to play, so he'd have to change his style with it. That was my point.

Its about efficiency. Muscle is not efficient to feed. It's very demanding actually it needs more blood, and that's because it needs more oxygen.

Mitts needs to find a balance. You can carry that muscle but then you have to train your body to feed it at the level you need to.

Stamina + strength is the longest hardest road to achieve. You can be fast and light quick, or maybe even quicker you can be stronger.

But be 200lbs and run a marathon? No.. thats the ultimate achievement. I used to run on a treadmill with a 40lbs vest that I started with 10, then 20, 30 etc. before I ever thought about trying out for Special Forces.

It's truly the hardest thing to do as an athlete to both build strength and stamina equally. You can get caught, and punished by doing one over the other.

Mack learned the lesson, Mikko didn't.

Watch some of these Hurricanes games with me. It's even more noticeable. Mikko takes three strides and coasts all the f*** over the place. Then makes a hard drive behind the net, and he's gassed loses the puck and nothing happens.

If you want your body to move the way you need it to you better train right.

I don't think neither him or Mitts did it right. There is no way my skinny ass was carrying 140lbs unless I got stronger, but I had to get ready to run with that weight not just hold it up. It took years of getting ready for it.

You suffer a set back, injury, and lose 10% it's extremely difficult to get back. It takes absolutely embracing pain as your friend to get it back. Especially the older you get.

Its all possible though. Mikko can absolutely fix himself and be a monster at his age.

Will he though.. that's the question. You need both humility and work ethic.

 

[Foppa2118]

Its about efficiency. Muscle is not efficient to feed. It's very demanding actually it needs more blood, and that's because it needs more oxygen.

Mitts needs to find a balance. You can carry that muscle but then you have to train your body to feed it at the level you need to.

Stamina + strength is the longest hardest road to achieve. You can be fast and light quick, or maybe even quicker you can be stronger.

But be 200lbs and run a marathon? No.. thats the ultimate achievement. I used to run on a treadmill with a 40lbs vest that I started with 10, then 20, 30 etc. before I ever thought about trying out for Special Forces.

It's truly the hardest thing to do as an athlete to both build strength and stamina equally. You can get caught, and punished by doing one over the other.

Mack learned the lesson, Mikko didn't.

Watch some of these Hurricanes games with me. It's even more noticeable. Mikko takes three strides and coasts all the f*** over the place. Then makes a hard drive behind the net, and he's gassed loses the puck and nothing happens.

If you want your body to move the way you need it to you better train right.

I don't think neither him or Mitts did it right. There is no way my skinny ass was carrying 140lbs unless I got stronger, but I had to get ready to run with that weight not just hold it up. It took years of getting ready for it.

You suffer a set back, injury, and lose 10% it's extremely difficult to get back. It takes absolutely embracing pain as your friend to get it back. Especially the older you get.

Its all possible though. Mikko can absolutely fix himself and be a monster at his age.

Will he though.. that's the question. You need both humility and work ethic.

I think the difference is when you were doing PT, or running with a weighted vest, you weren't sprinting, or at least not the entire time.

Conditioning to increase your stamina is one thing, but conditioning to have stamina, while sprinting most of the time, is quite different.

Playing for Bednar basically requires that you're sprinting on the forecheck, and sprinting on the back check most of your shift. Then the skill players have to calm themselves down, and have the awareness to make precision plays with the puck.

There's a reason smaller players tend to fit Bednar's system better. Also perhaps a reason why they seem to have an aversion to bigger centers. They always seem to be 5'11" or 6'0". Their transition game places a lot of emphasis on centers darting though the middle on the breakout.

I would disagree your characterization in another thread that Mikko was terrible defensively too. He wasn't a Selke contender, but he would be the first forward hustling on the back check when it needed fairly often. Perhaps even more than Nate who plays center.

 

[Pokecheque]

I’m curious to see if the loss of Necas affects the Canes offensive dynamic since he’s elite at skating the puck into the zone, but the Canes prefer to chip and chase (though they went out of their way to add more puckmovers to their blueline in the last couple seasons to move back the other way a bit).

I wonder how Mikko works in a system like that. He has more two-way guys and a more defensive system to cover up for his flaws, but he doesn’t strike me as a puck retrieval kind of guy. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it but I’m curious if he has to make some adjustments in his game and how Brind’Amour approaches that.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I’m curious to see if the loss of Necas affects the Canes offensive dynamic since he’s elite at skating the puck into the zone, but the Canes prefer to chip and chase (though they went out of their way to add more puckmovers to their blueline in the last couple seasons to move back the other way a bit).

I wonder how Mikko works in a system like that. He has more two-way guys and a more defensive system to cover up for his flaws, but he doesn’t strike me as a puck retrieval kind of guy. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it but I’m curious if he has to make some adjustments in his game and how Brind’Amour approaches that.

It shouldn’t affect him much, if at all. Necas’ and Rants deployment are so different. Rants plays on the top line with skilled guys who are much more adept at carrying the puck.
Necas was on the 2nd where generating offense was his responsibility. Zone entries, playmaking, it was all on him.

 

[LOFIN]

I’m curious to see if the loss of Necas affects the Canes offensive dynamic since he’s elite at skating the puck into the zone, but the Canes prefer to chip and chase (though they went out of their way to add more puckmovers to their blueline in the last couple seasons to move back the other way a bit).

I wonder how Mikko works in a system like that. He has more two-way guys and a more defensive system to cover up for his flaws, but he doesn’t strike me as a puck retrieval kind of guy. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it but I’m curious if he has to make some adjustments in his game and how Brind’Amour approaches that.

I think it's the other way around. The Canes will find a way to get the puck in the zone, their problem has been that their cycle game lacks skill and finish. Whereas we've kinda drifted away from that towards rush, and a lot of that has been because Landeskog has been out and Nuke has not been available. Necas fits the rush style well.

 

[Foppa2118]

I’m curious to see if the loss of Necas affects the Canes offensive dynamic since he’s elite at skating the puck into the zone, but the Canes prefer to chip and chase (though they went out of their way to add more puckmovers to their blueline in the last couple seasons to move back the other way a bit).

I wonder how Mikko works in a system like that. He has more two-way guys and a more defensive system to cover up for his flaws, but he doesn’t strike me as a puck retrieval kind of guy. Doesn’t mean he can’t do it but I’m curious if he has to make some adjustments in his game and how Brind’Amour approaches that.

I can't find the exact quote, but I read Brindamour say something about a play or a goal, where it was a nice kind of freewheeling tic tac toe play with Mikko, and he complimented it but said that's not really how they play.

That sounds like it could mean Necas style could allow him to play even better in Colorado, and perhaps Mikko not fit quite as well in Carolina.

I also have a feeling Mikko might not re-sign in Carolina.

I was listening to Necas on Spittin Chiclets talk about how 4-5 guys live in the same building, because Raleigh isn't that big, and there's not a lot of nice buildings to live in.

Kinda feels like Mikko is a guy who would like to spend his new contract on some nice things and a nice place to live and kind of enjoy his life outside of hockey. Feels like more of big city kind of guy if he had the choice. I wonder if he ends up in Manhattan with the Rangers instead? I think they're looking to shake things up and maybe make a splash too.

 

[FinPanda]

I can't find the exact quote, but I read Brindamour say something about a play or a goal, where it was a nice kind of freewheeling tic tac toe play with Mikko, and he complimented it but said that's not really how they play.

That sounds like it could mean Necas style could allow him to play even better in Colorado, and perhaps Mikko not fit quite as well in Carolina.

I also have a feeling Mikko might not re-sign in Carolina.

I was listening to Necas on Spittin Chiclets talk about how 4-5 guys live in the same building, because Raleigh isn't that big, and there's not a lot of nice buildings to live in.

Kinda feels like Mikko is a guy who would like to spend his new contract on some nice things and a nice place to live and kind of enjoy his life outside of hockey. Feels like more of big city kind of guy if he had the choice. I wonder if he ends up in Manhattan with the Rangers instead? I think they're looking to shake things up and maybe make a splash too.

Mikko is from a small town near Turku so I doubt the size of the city matters more to him than just feeling comfortable on the team.

 

[dahrougem2]

I can't find the exact quote, but I read Brindamour say something about a play or a goal, where it was a nice kind of freewheeling tic tac toe play with Mikko, and he complimented it but said that's not really how they play.

That sounds like it could mean Necas style could allow him to play even better in Colorado, and perhaps Mikko not fit quite as well in Carolina.

I also have a feeling Mikko might not re-sign in Carolina.

I was listening to Necas on Spittin Chiclets talk about how 4-5 guys live in the same building, because Raleigh isn't that big, and there's not a lot of nice buildings to live in.

Kinda feels like Mikko is a guy who would like to spend his new contract on some nice things and a nice place to live and kind of enjoy his life outside of hockey. Feels like more of big city kind of guy if he had the choice. I wonder if he ends up in Manhattan with the Rangers instead? I think they're looking to shake things up and maybe make a splash too.

I think Mikko genuinely enjoys playing with as many Finns as possible on the team and I think he'll choose a team with that in mind.

Dallas, Carolina, Florida, and Montreal should they re-up Armia come to mind.

 

[missionAvs]

So Necas didn't get any points today so maybe we can like........ trade him or something?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I think Mikko genuinely enjoys playing with as many Finns as possible on the team and I think he'll choose a team with that in mind.

Dallas, Carolina, Florida, and Montreal should they re-up Armia come to mind.

I’ve felt for a while he would end up in Dallas.

 

[Foppa2118]

Mikko is from a small town near Turku so I doubt the size of the city matters more to him than just feeling comfortable on the team.

Just because you come from a small town doesn't mean you always want to live in one though. In fact that drives many to want to live in bigger cities.

Also, Ismo Lehkonen said Mikko spent most of the summer a couple years ago partying in Helsinki, and we've all seen the photo from years ago of him smoking while out on the town in the off season.

I was just speculating though, he could very well re-sign in Carolina with his Finnish buddies. Dallas makes a lot of sense too.

 

[FinPanda]

Just because you come from a small town doesn't mean you always want to live in one though. In fact that drives many to want to live in bigger cities.

Also, Ismo Lehkonen said Mikko spent most of the summer a couple years ago partying in Helsinki, and we've all seen the photo from years ago of him smoking while out on the town in the off season.

I was just speculating though, he could very well re-sign in Carolina with his Finnish buddies. Dallas makes a lot of sense too.

Yeah, it depends on a person. But I mean, even Raleigh would be the 2nd biggest city on Finland by population. Denver has more people than Helsinki, so idk, we'll see. Dallas has a bigger population than 3 of the biggest Finnish towns combined.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I can't find the exact quote, but I read Brindamour say something about a play or a goal, where it was a nice kind of freewheeling tic tac toe play with Mikko, and he complimented it but said that's not really how they play.

That sounds like it could mean Necas style could allow him to play even better in Colorado, and perhaps Mikko not fit quite as well in Carolina.

I also have a feeling Mikko might not re-sign in Carolina.

I was listening to Necas on Spittin Chiclets talk about how 4-5 guys live in the same building, because Raleigh isn't that big, and there's not a lot of nice buildings to live in.

Kinda feels like Mikko is a guy who would like to spend his new contract on some nice things and a nice place to live and kind of enjoy his life outside of hockey. Feels like more of big city kind of guy if he had the choice. I wonder if he ends up in Manhattan with the Rangers instead? I think they're looking to shake things up and maybe make a splash too.

He is from a super small town. I think New York would confuse the **** outta him. Same as Kakko. Kakko seems to do better elsewhere. At least that's how I would see it.

I think Mikko genuinely enjoys playing with as many Finns as possible on the team and I think he'll choose a team with that in mind.

Dallas, Carolina, Florida, and Montreal should they re-up Armia come to mind.

Dallas does make sense and they have a decent team too.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[Foppa2118]

Yeah, it depends on a person. But I mean, even Raleigh would be the 2nd biggest city on Finland by population. Denver has more people than Helsinki, so idk, we'll see. Dallas has a bigger population than 3 of the biggest Finnish towns combined.

Yeah, I meant it more in terms of lifestyle, and entertainment options, than population, but I get what you're saying. That's why he chose to party in Helsinki for the summer rather than Turku.

You obviously know more about Finland than I do though.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I’ve felt for a while he would end up in Dallas.

The national love of saunas mean these Fins actually enjoy the heat and humidity in Texas' late summer/early fall.

Between this and their approval of ketchup on hotdogs, Fins can be real sickos.

 

[FinPanda]

The national love of saunas mean these Fins actually enjoy the heat and humidity in Texas' late summer/early fall.

Between this and their approval of ketchup on hotdogs, Fins can be real sickos.

Humidity is the worst. We enjoy sauna for the dry heat which makes it enjoyable even in high temperatures. I think parts of Texas would be awful for Finns, when some other parts of Texas are probably fine.

Ketchup, mustard, pickle relish and roasted onions on hot dogs too I guess roasted onion is more like a Swedish thing but it definitely is a thing here too.

Yeah, I meant it more in terms of lifestyle, and entertainment options, than population, but I get what you're saying. That's why he chose to party in Helsinki for the summer rather than Turku.

You obviously know more about Finland than I do though.

Oh yeah I get what you mean, big cities mean more entertainment options and yeah thats very true.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Humidity is the worst. We enjoy sauna for the dry heat which makes it enjoyable even in high temperatures. I think parts of Texas would be awful for Finns, when some other parts of Texas are probably fine.

Ketchup, mustard, pickle relish and roasted onions on hot dogs too I guess roasted onion is more like a Swedish thing but it definitely is a thing here too.

Oh yeah I get what you mean, big cities mean more entertainment options and yeah thats very true.

You honor, the prosecution rests.

Just kidding. I normally eat hot dogs with just mustard but I also absolutely love Chicago dogs and chilly cheese dogs are awesome on a cold day. So I'm not really the purist I pretend to be or maybe I'm just a hypocrite, I'm not sure myself.

 

[FinPanda]

You honor, the prosecution rests.

Just kidding. I normally eat hot dogs with just mustard but I also absolutely love Chicago dogs and chilly cheese dogs are awesome on a cold day. So I'm not really the purist I pretend to be or maybe I'm just a hypocrite, I'm not sure myself.

Yeah most common way around here is ketchup + mustard. Idk what else you really need tbh. I've never tried chilly cheese dogs, I've seen and heard about them though.