Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Balthazar]

Scott was able to convince Mikko that he could get him Draisaitl-like numbers and Mikko listened to him.

If true and he wanted to stay he should fire him.

But, IMO, it was Mikko's decision and not the agent's. His agent knows that a center with better numbers in Edmonton should ask for more than a winger with lesser numbers in Colorado.

Also, as you showed, his agent had no problem signing Blackwood to a decent contract recently. There's also the history of the previous contract with Mikko...so yeah I don't see a reason to believe that it would be the agent that was the issue here.

 

[Toothless Legend]

I don't see a problem with that. The information that Rantanen was getting traded was sensitive before the fact, and Davidson had no need to be informed other than the amount and duration he'd agree to retain.

He wasn’t the only one who could have played broker either.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't see a problem with that. The information that Rantanen was getting traded was sensitive before the fact, and Davidson had no need to be informed other than the amount and duration he'd agree to retain.

It's just stupid to give up all that for a measly third rounder (THEIR OWN third rounder to be exact). And to just wait there and absorb any salary that gets thrown at you!? If that's me I try to get at least one more draft pick out of that beforehand.

I just don't think Davidson is a good GM, and this is just speculation, because they've managed to fail even their own low expectations, ownership probably just told him to dump salary however he could. I'm guessing he's already in big trouble following their horribly embarrassing showing at the Winter Classic and a panicky firing of Luke Richardson.

 

[Jasenr]

If true and he wanted to stay he should fire him.

But, IMO, it was Mikko's decision and not the agent's. His agent knows that a center with better numbers in Edmonton should ask for more than a winger with lesser numbers in Colorado.

Also, as you showed, his agent had no problem signing Blackwood to a decent contract recently. There's also the history of the previous contract with Mikko...so yeah I don't see a reason to believe that it would be the agent that was the issue here.

Maybe Cmac wanted to nagotiate with good faith, maybe he didnt, who knows, but reality now is that Avs got a good enough offer from Carolina and they wanted to do it end of story.

 

[Balthazar]

It's just stupid to give up all that for a measly third rounder (THEIR OWN third rounder to be exact). And to just wait there and absorb any salary that gets thrown at you!? If that's me I try to get at least one more draft pick out of that beforehand.

Come on now, they didn't tell him which player it was but he had to know how much money was involved. Mikko's real salary this year is 6M so they retained below 3M in real money.

 

[dahrougem2]

Wasn't it pointd out that by retaining on Mikko and sending Hall out the Hawks actually saved real dollars while acquiring the 3rd?

They weren't doing no favours here.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If true and he wanted to stay he should fire him.

But, IMO, it was Mikko's decision and not the agent's. His agent knows that a center with better numbers in Edmonton should ask for more than a winger with lesser numbers in Colorado.

Also, as you showed, his agent had no problem signing Blackwood to a decent contract recently. There's also the history of the previous contract with Mikko...so yeah I don't see a reason to believe that it would be the agent that was the issue here.

You make a valid point, but..

Contract negotiations for superstar players are what make these guys. I think its probably a little different.

I do think Mikko fully bought in on his value, but if he told his agent the priority was to stay in Colorado. Yeah, I'd fire the agent. If he bought into getting the most possible, but didn't account for that possibly being on a different team, his arrogance got the better of him.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

The Avs are in Long Island to play the Islanders.

The Hurricanes are in New York to face the Rangers.

I find it absolutely PATHETIC that Montano would choose to go watch Mikko practice instead of watching/covering the Avs practice today. Like, pathetic.

 

[dahrougem2]

The Avs are in Long Island to play the Islanders.

The Hurricanes are in New York to face the Rangers.

I find it absolutely PATHETIC that Montano would choose to go watch Mikko practice instead of watching/covering the Avs practice today. Like, pathetic.

He's a donkey.

 

[Pokecheque]

Wasn't it pointd out that by retaining on Mikko and sending Hall out the Hawks actually saved real dollars while acquiring the 3rd?

They weren't doing no favours here.

Yes, I know they're saving money, and that's obviously their end goal there. I still think they had enough leverage to get something else.

Again, I think Davidson will get shitcanned here soon enough. If indeed he doesn't and the Hawks' rebuild is successful, well, won't be the first time I've been wrong. But given his moves thus far, I don't think I'll be wrong. I just think he's wildly unqualified for his job, and speaking as an Avs fan I'm more than okay with that.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yes, I know they're saving money, and that's obviously their end goal there. I still think they had enough leverage to get something else.

Again, I think Davidson will get shitcanned here soon enough. If indeed he doesn't and the Hawks' rebuild is successful, well, won't be the first time I've been wrong. But given his moves thus far, I don't think I'll be wrong. I just think he's wildly unqualified for his job, and speaking as an Avs fan I'm more than okay with that.

I don't know how much leverage they had.

They basically approached this in a way where they wanted to save money but take on cap. Clear ownership style trade. I don't believe they were in a position to bargain. The Avs and Canes likely knew what they were trying to do here.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Not that we should dwell on the negotiations, but I’m just not getting the argument that CMac should have told Mikko/his agent to sign this or we’re moving you. That gives other teams leverage with that info out there (you know the agent would leak it) and would hurt the return we got, if trade negotiations fell through you end up with a disgruntled Mikko knowing they’re trying to trade him, and he’s way more likely to go ahead and test free agency because he’s going to feel like he’s not wanted.

IMO CMac went about it the right way. They gave him a fair offer (assuming Friedman is correct) days before the trade and they didn’t take it. So CMac went out and got a good trade for a top 10 scoring winger this year, a good defensive 3C, and a couple of good picks to use by the deadline.

 

[CobraAcesS]

The Avs are in Long Island to play the Islanders.

The Hurricanes are in New York to face the Rangers.

I find it absolutely PATHETIC that Montano would choose to go watch Mikko practice instead of watching/covering the Avs practice today. Like, pathetic.

He's a donkey.

Yeah, that dude is not making the list for people I'm following on X. I made a new account just to follow hockey stuff since I thought HF was going break during the trade lol.

I can't stand the little cry baby. Between him crying, and AJ freaking out like he's the only one who knows the real truth I don't know how people listened to them both at the same time, ever.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not that we should dwell on the negotiations, but I’m just not getting the argument that CMac should have told Mikko/his agent to sign this or we’re moving you. That gives other teams leverage with that info out there (you know the agent would leak it) and would hurt the return we got, if trade negotiations fell through you end up with a disgruntled Mikko knowing they’re trying to trade him, and he’s way more likely to go ahead and test free agency because he’s going to feel like he’s not wanted.

IMO CMac went about it the right way. They gave him a fair offer (assuming Friedman is correct) days before the trade and they didn’t take it. So CMac went out and got a good trade for a top 10 scoring winger this year, a good defensive 3C, and a couple of good picks to use by the deadline.

I don't think MacFarland did anything wrong either.

And I believe Mikko and his agent knew the possibility of him leaving the Avs was real, I just think they were shocked that they didn't have more time. Either way, it's done, and I don't have any ill will toward any party.

Yeah, that dude is not making the list for people I'm following on X. I made a new account just to follow hockey stuff since I thought HF was going break during the trade lol.

I can't stand the little cry baby. Between him crying, and AJ freaking out like he's the only one who knows the real truth I don't know how people listened to them both at the same time, ever.

I don't even log onto X anymore. Anyone reputable has switched over to the other site.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Yeah, that dude is not making the list for people I'm following on X. I made a new account just to follow hockey stuff since I thought HF was going break during the trade lol.

I can't stand the little cry baby. Between him crying, and AJ freaking out like he's the only one who knows the real truth I don't know how people listened to them both at the same time, ever.

Why not just make Lists?

I have an Avs list with about 30 accounts to follow and I bookmark the URL for that list so it's easy to get to.

 

[Pokecheque]

The Avs are in Long Island to play the Islanders.

The Hurricanes are in New York to face the Rangers.

I find it absolutely PATHETIC that Montano would choose to go watch Mikko practice instead of watching/covering the Avs practice today. Like, pathetic.

Welllllllll I'm not really here to defend Montano, I couldn't give less of a shit about him, but I can kinda see why he went to check out the Canes practice. He's offering something up to Avs fans they might be curious about and so didn't want to do the same thing all the other beat reporters like TMV and Deen are likely doing, and helping GS stand out a little.

Now, it would've smart of him to send Meghan to Avs practice the same time he was watching the Canes, but I'm guessing he didn't do that.

 

[Ararana]

I know some of you wanted this Rantanen trade done earlier, as in, in the off-season. I’m thinking off the top of my head @Bender @Ararana @Balthazar
Just curious what you guys think, assume the trade is still with Carolina, how different are the pieces acquired in an offseason trade vs what we got now?

Anyone else who wanted this done earlier, feel free to chime in.

Considering Rantanen is/was 5 months from becoming a free agent and walking for nothing, I think the Avs did as well as they could have. Necas is a damn good player to replace Rantanen at the 1RW spot, they finally replaced Compher as their set and forget 3C, and they got some draft picks to boot. I'm not going to complain about the trade value considering Mikko's status.

But, yeah, this is why I wanted Rantanen traded well over a year ago. They could have traded him for a very good 2C and kept Byram. I think that would have been a significantly better option than where they find themselves now and I put that blame on management not being able to look down the road.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Why not just make Lists?

I have an Avs list with about 30 accounts to follow and I bookmark the URL for that list so it's easy to get to.

I might, in the past having to go specifically to the list wasn't as convenient.

I used to use Twitter for hockey news pretty much exclusively, but it got eaten by politics. Never following any political shit again there. It becomes all you see on the feed.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

It actually happened, Mikko. This is real. You can send them a hello ffs

 

[LOFIN]

Not that we should dwell on the negotiations, but I’m just not getting the argument that CMac should have told Mikko/his agent to sign this or we’re moving you. That gives other teams leverage with that info out there (you know the agent would leak it) and would hurt the return we got, if trade negotiations fell through you end up with a disgruntled Mikko knowing they’re trying to trade him, and he’s way more likely to go ahead and test free agency because he’s going to feel like he’s not wanted.

IMO CMac went about it the right way. They gave him a fair offer (assuming Friedman is correct) days before the trade and they didn’t take it. So CMac went out and got a good trade for a top 10 scoring winger this year, a good defensive 3C, and a couple of good picks to use by the deadline.

I'm not going to argue what the Avs should've done. We don't know all the facts, and it will be a long time before we can make a judgement about how this trade (and subsequent moves) worked out.

I just wonder, if Mikko and his agent would've actually caved, had they really believed a trade was going down if they didn't accept the last offer that was made. Not going to argue about it again, visit the last page for that.

If the Avs were going to make a trade (and they obviously did), then this was absolutely the right way. Keep it under the wraps, and only involve select few teams that might have real offers.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Considering Rantanen is/was 5 months from becoming a free agent and walking for nothing, I think the Avs did as well as they could have. Necas is a damn good player to replace Rantanen at the 1RW spot, they finally replaced Compher as their set and forget 3C, and they got some draft picks too boot. I'm not going to complain about the trade value considering Mikko's status.

But, yeah, this is why I wanted Rantanen traded well over a year ago. They could have traded him for a very good 2C and kept Byram. I think that would have been a significantly better option than where they find themselves now and I put that blame on management not being able to look down the road.

Would you have traded Mikko for Eichel? That's the only center I can think of.

 

[JLo217]

Well, that's an opinion at this point. There are so many conflicting reports. Like I said, I choose to believe Kyper, LeBrun and Mikko's camp. Some can choose to believe Friedman (which is understandable as he is the #1 insider).

Calling Friedman the #1 insider is a stretch. I think his reporting after a trade or something goes down is great. His depth, and research are unmatched. However he's not the best insider. He's pretty close to Eklund but uses safer language when making predictions to let himself back our or take credit for it. I don't think he's nailed much recently.

One thing that I feel is interesting and getting overlooked is that Mikko’s agent (obviously) is running to Kypreos to do damage control with this. But ask yourself this, if Mikko and his agents were really in lockstep, would there be a need to do this?

I think they know how much he relied on Mack for points. Now he's gotta be the guy in Carolina while deeper, less top end talent.

He'll still get his # from someone i'm sure, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a decently sized dip in his production.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Welllllllll I'm not really here to defend Montano, I couldn't give less of a shit about him, but I can kinda see why he went to check out the Canes practice. He's offering something up to Avs fans they might be curious about and so didn't want to do the same thing all the other beat reporters like TMV and Deen are likely doing, and helping GS stand out a little.

Now, it would've smart of him to send Meghan to Avs practice the same time he was watching the Canes, but I'm guessing he didn't do that.

You're probably right. I guess I just don't give a f*** about anybody once they're not on the Avs. I'd rather get updates on our team than anything else.

FWIW, looks like Meghan didn't even make the trip. Stayed back in Denver doing shows with some other girl. Colleen Flynn and Bailey Curtis stayed in Denver. TMV, Deen, etc. didn't seem to go to practice today either. Vogt is always in Denver and gave the Kylington/Nuke update. Adrian Hernandez is probably still crying about Mikko.

Only McGahey, our friggin' play-by-play for Altitude radio, and Masisak went to practice.

 

[JLo217]

This is the reason I am not upset about the trade. Watching him was getting frustrating as a fan so as someone who writes his checks I bet it was even more.

I feel it was addition by subtraction here really. Sure, don't get me wrong he is a great player or could almost say was a great player. The 22 season was amazing but where has that player been the last year and a half?

In return, we get a great player and a great depth center which we needed, as well as immediate cap relief. Of course, we will have to pay Necas in 2 years but at the same time, I don't think he ends up with Mikko's 14m cap hit even with the increased cap. I bet he gets around 12m which with the increased cap will be nothing we can't handle while still being able to fill in the rest of the roster.

Also, if the first two games are and indication we won't have any complaints at all about coasting from Necas. The biggest concern will be is he conditioned good enough to do that for the number of minutes Bednar is going to play him now.

Carolina plays a pretty high pace game... and they play more complete games than the Avs. Not a concern for me.

 

[Ceremony]

It actually happened, Mikko. This is real. You can send them a hello ffs

tbf if I was in Rantanen's position (and this is me specifically I'm talking about) I would have refused to report and signed immediately for 11 million. I'd be completely in denial.