Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[cccoltsicehockey]

I have a feeling his play in the past 2 years has something to do with the Avs not wanting to pay him. If we can see it the Avs can see it. Ismo was right.

This is the reason I am not upset about the trade. Watching him was getting frustrating as a fan so as someone who writes his checks I bet it was even more.

I feel it was addition by subtraction here really. Sure, don't get me wrong he is a great player or could almost say was a great player. The 22 season was amazing but where has that player been the last year and a half?

In return, we get a great player and a great depth center which we needed, as well as immediate cap relief. Of course, we will have to pay Necas in 2 years but at the same time, I don't think he ends up with Mikko's 14m cap hit even with the increased cap. I bet he gets around 12m which with the increased cap will be nothing we can't handle while still being able to fill in the rest of the roster.

Also, if the first two games are and indication we won't have any complaints at all about coasting from Necas. The biggest concern will be is he conditioned good enough to do that for the number of minutes Bednar is going to play him now.

 

[dmac7719]

Will have to wait till tomorrow to find out, but very likely it was an interview that was pre-recorded before the trade.

Although it would have been fun to hear an interview post trade, the interview was in fact conducted before the trade.

 

[AvBuff]

If Mikko really wanted to remain and Av and was really willing to take "below market value" (whatever the hell that is) . . . he'd still be on the roster.

Rant's agent is no dumbell. The guy is paid handsomely to know the market, know the cap situation of the team he's dealing with and advise his client accordingly. Similarly, this is not CMac's first salary negotiation rodeo, either. As an attorney, negotiations are a weird form of high-stakes poker where everybody is pretty sure what the other guy is holding. The trick is is knowing the other guys tell and guessing how deep he's willing to go into his chip pile before he leaves the table.

Mikko's lawyer thought he could wait CMac out. Little did he know that CMac had a Carolina Ace up his sleeve.

Well played Avs management. The more I think about this, the more I think the Avs did the smart thing.

 

[LOFIN]

If Mikko really wanted to remain and Av and was really willing to take "below market value" (whatever the hell that is) . . . he'd still be on the roster.

How do you come to that conclusion, when every report out there says that they were basically not given an ultimatum?

 

[CobraAcesS]

How do you come to that conclusion, when every report out there says that they were basically not given an ultimatum?

Basically every report out there says they were given an ultimatum.

Here is an offer for 11.75M, no thanks, silence..

Time goes by.. silence

Trade rumors..

Trade

Shock
 

Huh.. interesting how convenient it is when you pull narratives out of your ass.

 

[AvBuff]

How do you come to that conclusion, when every report out there says that they were basically not given an ultimatum?

Ask Toews - who told his agent that he wanted to the remain an Av, instructed him to negotiate hard, but get him the best deal he could, and get it done. Mission accomplished, everybody is happy, no drama. If Mikko takes that attitude, he's still here.

CMac and Sakic were NOT going to play the same game with Mikko they played during Mikko's last extension negotiation. That thing went down to the wire. The Avs couldn't afford to do that this time around.

I don't blame Mikko one bit for wanting to cash in. Guy is a great player. He's earned his payday. But if he really wanted to stay in Denver, he and his agent just didn't read the room very well.

 

[LOFIN]

Basically every report out there says they were given an ultimatum.

Here is an offer for 11.75M, no thanks, silence..

Time goes by.. silence

Trade rumors..

Trade
 

Huh.. interesting how convenient it is when you pull narratives out of your ass.

It was not an ultimatum. The player had no idea a trade was possible. That's what I mean by this ultimatum. They did not signal Rantanen that "if you don't take 11.75, well will trade you". I don't really know what else to say, when this has been reported by basically every insider, stated by Rantanen and the rest of the Avs players.

 

[kchan9]

Whitney nailed it

 

[LOFIN]

Mikko and his agent just didn't read the room very well.

They didn't "read the room" very well because this type of trade hasn't happened in over 30 years. Mikko Rantanen wasn't even born when a trade of this magnitude took place. So yeah, no wonder him or his agent "didn't read the room", especially when they had previous indication about how the club operates when Landeskog deal went to the wire. And the rest of the league, where we've seen big name free agents walk, or get a deal done much later. They thought they had time, and the Avs obviously didn't confront them about it.

If the Avs had actually communicated to Rantanen that this is the final price and if you don't sign, we are going to trade you, then we would've heard MUCH more chatter about a possible trade earlier. Now we basically got two reporters who even suggested that a trade was possible: Kypreos and Lavoie. No-one else reported that the Avs were working on a trade, no-one. Friedman says he wasn't surprised that the Avs traded Rantanen, but he sure as hell never reported anything about it.

 

[AvBuff]

It was not an ultimatum. The player had no idea a trade was possible. That's what I mean by this ultimatum. They did not signal Rantanen that "if you don't take 11.75, well will trade you". I don't really know what else to say, when this has been reported by basically every insider, stated by Rantanen and the rest of the Avs players.

"The player had no idea a trade was possible". Of course he does. Trades are always possible. Some more likely than others. He pays his agent to guess the odds.

 

[LOFIN]

"The player had no idea a trade was possible". Of course he does. Trades are always possible. Some more likely than others. He pays his agent to guess the odds.

Yeah, sure. That doesn't mean this type of trade actually happens. Like I said, you have to go back over 30 years to find a similar trade. So please.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It was not an ultimatum. The player had no idea a trade was possible. That's what I mean by this ultimatum. They did not signal Rantanen that "if you don't take 11.75, well will trade you". I don't really know what else to say, when this has been reported by basically every insider, stated by Rantanen and the rest of the Avs players.

They didn't need to.

Do we know if Mikko's agent countered? No, but it doesn't matter. He didn't get another offer and time was ticking.

If your boss gives you a contract offer, and you say no, and let time go buy, and you don't get another offer is it smart to assume they'll cave and lose the labor? Or do you need to assume they're looking to replace you, and you need to be looking for a new job?

You are hilariously giving Mikko a pass on turning a blind eye to common sense, and spitting out a narrative of your own making with the convenience of a lack of information to counter what you're saying.

Except I don't need information to counter what you're saying. I only need common f***in sense.

 

[LOFIN]

If your boss gives you a contract offer, and you say no, and let time go buy, and you don't get another offer is it smart to assume they'll cave and lose the labor? Or do you need to assume they're looking to replace you, and you need to be looking for a new job?

When talking about the NHL, and the caliber of player Rantanen is, also given what happened with Landeskog? No, he had no reason to believe they would actually trade him in season. Absolutely none, which is why there were only two reporters in the f***ing hockey world who were contemplating it (two local reporters from Canada BTW, so not even the insiders or our own reporters), on top of our beloved HFAvs posters.

I don't really know what else do I have to say, to get my point across. This was completely unprecedented not only with the way Avalanche operated previously, but in the entire National Hockey League. Just because this trade was technically possible and some fantasy hockey GMs were salivating over it, doesn't mean that was something basically anyone expected to happen.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Let’s not go crazy here: Mikko’s camp always knew a trade was a possibility.

 

[CobraAcesS]

When talking about the NHL, and the caliber of player Rantanen is, also given what happened with Landeskog? No, he had no reason to believe they would actually trade him in season. Absolutely none, which is why there were only two reporters in the f***ing hockey world who were contemplating it (two local reporters from Canada BTW, so not even the insiders or our own reporters), on top of our beloved HFAvs posters.

I don't really know what else do I have to say, to get my point across. This was completely unprecedented not only with the way Avalanche operated previously, but in the entire National Hockey League. Just because this trade was technically possible and some fantasy hockey GMs were salivating over it, doesn't mean that was something basically anyone expected to happen.

You talk about lot, but say very little. He absolutely knew a trade was possible, and there were rumors before the trade.

Silence is sometimes an indication of doom on its own.

 

[AvBuff]

Let’s not go crazy here: Mikko’s camp always knew a trade was a possibility.

Of course. If Mikkos agent didn't tell him 50 times, "Ya know, Mikko they can always trade you" , then he's an idiot.

And he's no idiot.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

This notion that MacFarland and the agent had broken communication or a lack of transparency is just silly.

Andy Scott, who represents Mikko, is the same agent as Mackenzie Blackwood, Calvin de Haan, and Tye Felhaber.

Blackwood - acquired and signed to a new deal as an impending UFA just 1 month ago
de Haan - signed 7 months ago
Felhaber - signed 1 month ago

This is a guy with several Avs clients. CMac and him were able to get a deal done for Blackwood, in a similar situation albeit not a star player like Rantanen, just one month ago.

At this point, they would've been in regular contact, if not daily.

Scott was able to convince Mikko that he could get him Draisaitl-like numbers and Mikko listened to him.

Period.

 

[Ceremony]

Just a bit of fun. Couldn't find any Necas+Drury triple list though.View attachment 968096

 

[flyfysher]

Yeah, sure. That doesn't mean this type of trade actually happens. Like I said, you have to go back over 30 years to find a similar trade. So please.

Aren’t you really skirting the issue? If you’re GM, what criteria do you use in making personnel decisions? Cost? Value for the skills and style of play, including effort which they bring? Value for the team? Versatility? Is your salary structure maintained not just now but also for the foreseeable future? I would expect Rantanen’s agent to advocate for Rantanen’s interests but it’s up to Rantanen to give his agent guidance as to what he wants. It’s also the agent’s responsibility to inform Rantanen’s of the possible outcomes. Notice that I didn’t bring up team loyalty or fairness as being factors. As GM, you’re trying to make and put the best, most competitive team on the ice. I like the direction CMac has taken the team in with Rantanen’s departure. The team is more balanced. Necas’ skill set seems to fit in with our team’s style of play. Don’t get me wrong. I loved having Rantanen on the Avs. But you have to be able to roll four lines to advance in the POs. You already know that from the Avs SCC against the TBL. With extending Rantanen, it would mean the team is top heavy and not well positioned when Makar’s next contract comes up.

 

[EdAVSfan]

This notion that MacFarland and the agent had broken communication or a lack of transparency is just silly.

Andy Scott, who represents Mikko, is the same agent as Mackenzie Blackwood, Calvin de Haan, and Tye Felhaber.

Blackwood - acquired and signed to a new deal as an impending UFA just 1 month ago
de Haan - signed 7 months ago
Felhaber - signed 1 month ago

This is a guy with several Avs clients. CMac and him were able to get a deal done for Blackwood, in a similar situation albeit not a star player like Rantanen, just one month ago.

At this point, they would've been in regular contact, if not daily.

Scott was able to convince Mikko that he could get him Draisaitl-like numbers and Mikko listened to him.

Period.

Likely. And how does an agent look saying « we can get Drasaitl-like numbers » to « you should prob sign for 11.75 » without looking like a moron.

What’s interesting is that he CAN get Draisaitl-like numbers, just not from the Avs.

 

[UnkleKraker]

Aint't mad at Moose. He earned his bag he deserves to go get it. Makes no sense for the Avs. Just business.

 

[BobRossColton]

Any chance I can get the Selänne bit?

 

[Vaslof]

Well, that's an opinion at this point. There are so many conflicting reports. Like I said, I choose to believe Kyper, LeBrun and Mikko's camp. Some can choose to believe Friedman (which is understandable as he is the #1 insider).

I haven't seen any reports that stated under 14M

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

At this point, I no longer care about their negotiations. It's done. Let's move on.

 

[Richard88]

Every additional bit of information about this deal just makes Kyle Davidson look worse and worse. So it turns out they agreed to send Hall to Carolina and retain half of a player’s salary in a three-way deal, but they didn’t know who that player was until the last minute. Like…seriously!?

I don't see a problem with that. The information that Rantanen was getting traded was sensitive before the fact, and Davidson had no need to be informed other than the amount and duration he'd agree to retain.