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Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

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Avsfan1921 said:
No, if a team is asking these questions, even an adolescent has to know it’s very serious. This IS open and honest. Very few players are afforded the luxury of talking to another team before they get traded there. If you are honest-to-god determined to stay with a team and you are squabbling over $250,000, and another team is given permission to talk to you, you’d best know shit is real. Nobody is that slow.
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Very serious versus a sure thing are two different things though.

So is relying on your agents take versus CMac and Joe telling you directly this is our max offer and we need to know if you'll sign it or we'll have to trade you.

If Elliotte is right, then it sounds like his agent thought Colorado was bluffing. That's what Mikko was relying on if he didn't talk to them, and why he wasn't sure if it would happen or not, or if it could be asap or at the deadline.

That wouldn't be Mikko's fault it would be his agent's. Mikko's just letting him handle it so he can play hockey and try to win another Cup.
 
Foppa2118 said:
Very serious versus a sure thing are two different things though.

So is relying on your agents take versus CMac and Joe telling you directly this is our max offer and we need to know if you'll sign it or we'll have to trade you.

If Elliotte is right, then it sounds like his agent thought Colorado was bluffing. That's what Mikko was relying on if he didn't talk to them, and why he wasn't sure if it would happen or not.

That wouldn't be Mikko's fault it would be his agent's. Mikko's just letting him handle it so he can play hockey and try to win another Cup.
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Sure and if they had a face to face heart to heart, “they thought it was a pressure tactic”. You’d have to be an absolute fool to not take this seriously. I’ve said all along that I’d hope that they let Mikko know they were dead serious or I’d feel bad as an empathic person. IF this happened, it is as clear as day that he pushed for the bag. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn’t seriously believe this to be a very real outcome.

I don’t know which report is true, I’m just speaking to this scenario. Mikko would be an absolute buffoon and have the IQ of a potato if he didn’t think he was on the verge of being traded in this scenario. Anyone who thinks his agent is at fault is a fan of the player and not capable of rational thinking in this scenario.
 
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In case it wasn't mentioned: Mikko also turned down the Kings.

Canes might still win this trade if Stankoven outplays Rantanen in a year or two.

Avs calling Mikko's bluff will benefit them in future negotiations.

Avs still have to sign Necas and Nelson or they might regret these moves in 2026 summer.
 
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Avsfan1921 said:
Sure and if they had a face to face heart to heart, “they thought it was a pressure tactic”. You’d have to be an absolute fool to not take this seriously. I’ve said all along that I’d hope that they let Mikko know they were dead serious or I’d feel bad as an empathic person. IF this happened, it is as clear as day that he pushed for the bag. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn’t seriously believe this to be a very real outcome.

I don’t know which report is true, I’m just speaking to this scenario. Mikko would be an absolute buffoon and have the IQ of a potato if he didn’t think he was on the verge of being traded in this scenario. Anyone who thinks his agent is at fault is a fan of the player and not capable of rational thinking in this scenario.
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Yeah, and I personally never got the impression that Mikko was just another dumb jock. He seems like a pretty thoughtful guy to me, based on how he talks, and what he says.

If Elliotte is right that the Avs gave the agent permission to speak with the Canes, and the team never had a face to face with Mikko to tell him directly, and then traded him in January instead of expected at the deadline, I think it's on both the team and Mikko's agent Andy Scott at Octagon.

This was a business deal gone wrong from a communication breakdown.

The team was only talking to the agent. The agent thought they were bluffing. And Mikko was relying on his agent.
 
I think Mikko's family didn't want to stay in Raleigh. It's understandable, especially after place like Colorado. Less taxes and lovely texas people, I think he's done the research.

Hintz-Rantanen-Robertson sounds decent but they wont handle Mäkinen-Necas-Lekhonen
 
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Vaslof said:
Funny that his extension would end up at 12M cap hit when our offer was 11.75M.

Our office was clearly reading the forum and finally refused to overpay by 250k.
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Again:

If 12x8 would have done it, he would still be playing for us,. There is no f***ing way that CMac and Rants split over 250 K.

The problem now is: To match 12x8 in Texas, a NO-TAX-State, we would have had to offer him 12.5 or more x 8.....

Speaking of "no tax": Think its Time to adress this loophole and circumvention.

And there it is. In the he wanted to have that extra 3-4 Million. Thats ok and he is every right to do so, but i dont want to here any further bullshit like "i loved it in Denver and being an AV" or "that trade really hurt and yada yada...." Sorry, if it never came to your mind that you could be traded if the others side calls your bluff you are a big Doofus!

I will always be grateful for his time in Denver and his role in bringing back another Cup. And i wish him the best, but not against us. :D

An i am sure he gets his tribute and recognition when he comes back on march 16th because he deserves it...

But after that, i want Coyle or EJ to hammer him into the board that he feels like a truck hit him.

And i really hope Mac tells Toews, that No 96. does no longer play in Denver. And whenever they face Dallas, No. 96 is fair game from now on.

Hell, exactly for that i would have loved to have Kadri still on this team. He would have hammered Rants on his 1st shift in his first game against the AVs. :D
 
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Grigowski said:
Again:

If 12x8 would have done it, he would still be playing for us,. There is no f***ing way that CMac and Rants split over 250 K.

The problem now is: To match 12x8 in Texas, a NO-TAX-State, we would have had to offer him 12.5 or more x 8.....
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I don't think so. If Rantanen had a time machine now, I bet he goes back and signs that 11.6 or 11.75 whatever the final offer was from the Avs. He was almost signed during the summer for something around that ballpark, maybe even slightly less. Then that Draisaitl contract got his agent to switch gears and Mikko went along.
 
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Bottom line for me, Mikko was a hell of a sniper but stopped driving play for us. I was listening to some analysis, maybe it was Moser that said it, but it was true, Necas gets Nate to have to shift, move , and vacate his spot. It is clicking on the PP big time now and has made the offense far more dynamic, than Nate setting up shop on one side and Mikko on the other. When Lekhy's Dad called out Mikko, it was a bit of a red flag to me. I think Mikko will look good in Dallas as a finisher, but if that's all they are getting, we dodged a bullet. It solidifies for me that Nate/Makar effect is very real (not that it wasn't obvious). Mikko was also my greatest frustration the past couple of years because he just looked stale. A metric TON of points, but somewhat of a mirage due to the Cale/Nate effect. One player that HAS to remain in and playing is Nuke. Our cup run MVP almost became a tossup between him and Makar. His loss and lack of staying clean when we need him the most is a far bigger problem than losing Mikko.
 
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NorthernAvsFan said:
I don’t really see redemption for Mikko in my eyes.

He basically chose a division rival for $4M more over an 8-year deal.

There’s no love from my end anymore. It’s a fresh Duchene situation.
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How is it even close to a Duchene situation? Duchene forced his way out of Colorado, Mikko didn't. Not even remotely close.

To me, Mikko is just another Stars player now, so f*** him. Duchene is one of the all time cancers of this franchise, f*** him 10x more.
 
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Richard Doll said:
Mikko was a great player, however, more often then not, when he was put on the second line to try and elevate that line, it never seemed to work, he was never able to carry a line, which should be something to make you pause on a star player if he isn't able to be the star of his own line.
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Couple years ago when he was, like, the only star forward in the top six who wasn’t injured, he carried the whole damn team, so he’s proven he CAN be that type of forward, he now needs to prove he can do that more consistently.
 
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LOFIN said:
How is it even close to a Duchene situation? Duchene forced his way out of Colorado, Mikko didn't. Not even remotely close.

To me, Mikko is just another Stars player now, so f*** him. Duchene is one of the all time cancers of this franchise, f*** him 10x more.
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No doubt Mikko is more likeable.

But, he could’ve simply not signed the extension and gone to free agency and got more money from someone like Chicago.

He took the same deal Colorado offered and said “f*** you” to the Avalanche.

He has every intent on going on a revenge tour. He must be stopped.
 
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LOFIN said:
How is it even close to a Duchene situation? Duchene forced his way out of Colorado, Mikko didn't. Not even remotely close.

To me, Mikko is just another Stars player now, so f*** him. Duchene is one of the all time cancers of this franchise, f*** him 10x more.
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Did he really *force* his way out? That wasn’t a Carmelo Anthony situation, he simply asked for a trade, and Sakic took his sweet time to set one up. And Duchene, to his credit, didn’t pull a Pierre-Luc Dubois, he played well right up until he was dealt.

Anyway, I’m not saying people should revise their feelings on Duchene or Rantanen, but I don’t really have any animosity for either player. I’m just annoyed that former stars for the Avs keep f***ing washing up back in the division.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Did he really *force* his way out? That wasn’t a Carmelo Anthony situation, he simply asked for a trade, and Sakic took his sweet time to set one up. And Duchene, to his credit, didn’t pull a Pierre-Luc Dubois, he played well right up until he was dealt.

Anyway, I’m not saying people should revise their feelings on Duchene or Rantanen, but I don’t really have any animosity for either player. I’m just annoyed that former stars for the Avs keep f***ing washing up back in the division.
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Both guys are losers. We heard about how Duchene had a pretty strong grip on the locker room and it wasn't until he got traded that MacKinnon really took over and the team became his. Duchene also wasn't willing to try sticking it out with the core to make it work.

That said, Duchene wasn't out here trying to hold the organization hostage and asking for more than what he's worth the way Mikko Rantanen was. This whole ordeal definitely taints Rantanen's image for me and likely other Avs fans. As has been mentioned, he not only turned down Carolina he turned down Los Angeles. He knew what he was doing by choosing Dallas, so I hope the first thing EJ or Coyle attempt to do is put him through the glass.
 
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I'm saving my disgust for the spineless, incompetent, clueless, pathetic front office management of the Carolina Hurricanes. I mean seriously, F those guys.

Right in the ear.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Did he really *force* his way out? That wasn’t a Carmelo Anthony situation, he simply asked for a trade, and Sakic took his sweet time to set one up. And Duchene, to his credit, didn’t pull a Pierre-Luc Dubois, he played well right up until he was dealt.

Anyway, I’m not saying people should revise their feelings on Duchene or Rantanen, but I don’t really have any animosity for either player. I’m just annoyed that former stars for the Avs keep f***ing washing up back in the division.
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Duchene absolutely didn't play well all the way out. He was atrocious the year before he got traded, like completely given up. That time is what made people hate him so much. To his credit he did start the next season well before getting dealt.
 
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Vaslof said:
Duchene absolutely didn't play well all the way out. He was atrocious the year before he got traded, like completely given up. That time is what made people hate him so much. To his credit he did start the next season well before getting dealt.
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EVERYONE was atrocious the year before he got traded. Everyone gave up on that team. Every single guy. That’s not a lack of character, it’s just human nature. That team completely imploded by December.

Duchene returned to an awkward situation but did not let it affect his play the following season. He showed up, practiced and played at the level he was expected to play at.
 
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Pokecheque said:
EVERYONE was atrocious the year before he got traded. Everyone gave up on that team. Every single guy. That’s not a lack of character, it’s just human nature. That team completely imploded by December.

Duchene returned to an awkward situation but did not let it affect his play the following season. He showed up, practiced and played at the level he was expected to play at.
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MacKinnon putting up 50+ points on that abomination of a roster should have been enough for us to see a superstar was coming lmao
 
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