You must not understand what a window is. Rantanen, a pending free agent, was going to walk after the season.
Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention
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You must not understand what a window is. Rantanen, a pending free agent, was going to walk after the season.
jetsforever
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Would be hilarious if Rantanen signs in Colorado in the summer
TheDawnOfANewTage
Dahlin, it’ll all be fine
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Sounds like it’s their fault, if true. I’d assume Colorado would have reached out with a “hey, we’re considering X…” and Van management looked deep into the fire, took a sip of coffee, and said “this is fine.”
BB88
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& you still don’t extend the window by going from Rantanen to Necas
You didn’t even get 1st round picks to use in the follow up trades
They could have made other trades with Rantanen on the roster as well
troyerlaw
Life is party again
Realistically they couldn't afford to re-sign both Rantanen and (the following year) Makar
Necas has 9 less points then Rantanen this year... And he doesn't benefit from playing with Mackinnon.
...But he's about to.
a mangy Meowth
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It's okay - you're not a fan of the team and have limited understanding of the secondary/future implications of this trade. We don't need to discuss this any further because we will not agree.
Who was the last player as good as Rantanen to be traded in season?
Frank Mahovlich in 1968 and 1971, and Phil Esposito in 1975 come to mind.
After that?
The big deals I can think of were in the off-season.
Maybe Doug Gilmour in 1992, but he was no Rantanen.
Frank Mahovlich in 1968 and 1971, and Phil Esposito in 1975 come to mind.
After that?
The big deals I can think of were in the off-season.
Maybe Doug Gilmour in 1992, but he was no Rantanen.
LOL if 1st round picks are your argument. They literally got Martin Necas
BKarchitect
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All fair but things would be incredibly tight. I can see why other blue chip assets weren’t on the table given Mikko’s pending free agency. You maybe could argue the Avs should have made this deal a year ago. But we are where we are.
I think the beginning of this year and the complete lack of depth that led to such a slow start with all the injuries and Nuke suspension really made the Avs consider just how they need to move forward in their team construction. MacK and Makar are the north stars and even with Mikko that was always the case. I think the looming specter of Makar’s next deal loomed large.
You can say they didn’t get any firsts to have flexibility but the truth is they’ve actually got some breathing room now to make other moves with impactful financial considerations. If they don’t make the “right” moves, it could easily look foolish, agreed. But moves are more possible now.
50% retention, Hall, and a D+ prospect
I'm guessing two things
1) Most teams probably wanted retention on Hall as a rental. CAR agreed to take it all
2) It's a favour to Hall to let him move on
Why wouldn't they just retain on Hall then.
I know he's been bad and has questionable character, but is he not returning a 3rd @3m pro rated to a team with scoring help needs trying to push for the playoffs like Calgary, Minny, LAK, Rangers etc?
Czechboy
Náš f*cken barák!
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Lol.. don't shoot the messenger but found this hillarious
Come playoff, you only get to put 3 forwards on the ice at a time. I'd rather one of them be Mikko, than Marty. It is going to be fun watching Marty, Nate and Cale, though.
"Necas is a stud"
74% WAR is far from "stud" territory. That's barely average for a 2nd liner.
Is is probably one of the most lopsided bad trades I've seen since, well, Matt Tkachuk. This is gonna send the Avs into a freefall.
74% WAR is far from "stud" territory. That's barely average for a 2nd liner.
Is is probably one of the most lopsided bad trades I've seen since, well, Matt Tkachuk. This is gonna send the Avs into a freefall.
thewookie1
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Love how somehow all but Calgary and Columbus got in on this C team trade
BKarchitect
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As someone who owned Huberdeau in fantasy then and Rantanen in fantasy now yeah I pretty much expect this outcome
Hall must have had negative value at 6M. CHI opened 1.5M cap space, gained a 3rd and lost Hall. Seems fine to me?
Yep people keep acting like the Rantanen retention and Hall are two separate assets. But Hall at full price is not an attractive asset and that is what was traded here: Hall with no retention.
As I mentioned above if you said Hall at 57% retention (if it were allowed) netted a high 3rd round pick you would find it reasonable. And basically that is the practical effect.
These retention trades always seem to confuse people. Easiest just to look at what the team gave and what they got.
izzy
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i am piss loaded drunk and am losing my mind over this
