Confirmed Trade: [COL/BUF] Casey Mittelstadt for Bowen Byram

[HabsAddict]

If Mitlestadt was 20 yr old and putting up 60+ pt season hed cost alot more than magic beans.

Buffalo wanted s proven top 4 in return and they got one.

Top 10 draft is not magic beans.

 

[Spirits]

what an L for Colorado. sure you need a 2C but ALL you got back was Mittelstadt?.... wtf happened here?

For real, if we lose more defensemen we will be so bad and inept at playoff hockey you will think we are Edmonton!

 

[Dan Kelly]

With Byram in chain Sabres won against Oilers last night really nice onset even it was only first round and going second and third and more rounds.

I still like the Sabres getting Byrum to add to Dahlin and Power. Going forward that has the potential to be a pretty dynamic D and may keep the Sabres from feeling they need to draft another d-man in the 1st round of the upcoming draft as there are a few dynamic forwards the Sabres can draft where they'll be picking that can replace Mittelstadt ! Seems like a win/win to me for the Sabres?

For real, if we lose more defensemen we will be so bad and inept at playoff hockey you will think we are Edmonton!

You mean Toronto don't you and their yearly 1st round exit?

 

[Liga]

I still like the Sabres getting Byrum to add to Dahlin and Power. Going forward that has the potential to be a pretty dynamic D and may keep the Sabres from feeling they need to draft another d-man in the 1st round of the upcoming draft as there are a few dynamic forwards the Sabres can draft where they'll be picking that can replace Mittelstadt ! Seems like a win/win to me for the Sabres?

Very interesting defenseman Sabres has. Draft picks can easily replace Mittelstadt.

 

[Spirits]

You mean Toronto don't you and their yearly 1st round exit?

Nah, I mean Edmonton. They really aren't a threat in the post season.

 

[Neutrinos]

Given Byram's age and potential, I feel like this is a deal that Buffalo makes 10/10 times

 

[Chainshot]

I still like the Sabres getting Byrum to add to Dahlin and Power. Going forward that has the potential to be a pretty dynamic D and may keep the Sabres from feeling they need to draft another d-man in the 1st round of the upcoming draft as there are a few dynamic forwards the Sabres can draft where they'll be picking that can replace Mittelstadt ! Seems like a win/win to me for the Sabres?


You mean Toronto don't you and their yearly 1st round exit?

Eh, they have a large list of prospects at just about every position. They can take BPA if they so choose.

 

[HabsAddict]

Very interesting defenseman Sabres has. Draft picks can easily replace Mittelstadt.

In this draft there are two centers above the others and unless the Sabres go lower then the Habs, we will certainly grab one. But the time the Sabres draft, they will probably be gone.

This draft is defenseman heavy. Which at this point neither the Habs nor the Sabres need. We need a center and I don't know what the Sabres need.

I wouldn't be shocked if we draft at 6 OA there are no centers and the BPA is ANOTHER defenseman. That would be about a dozen NHĹ ready or likely defenseman for us.

So you see, saying that one can grab a quality center at the draft is easier said then done.

 

[Djp]

Top 10 draft is not magic beans.

Buffalo wouldnt be trading him at 20yrs old and 60+ pts either.

 

[Djp]

Very interesting defenseman Sabres has. Draft picks can easily replace Mittelstadt.

Buffalo has s bunch of F prospects in their system playing in AHL or elsewhere.

These are just the higher draft picks....Rosen, poltapiv, kisakov, savoie, ostlund, kulich, Wahlberg from 2st or 2nd round in 21-23 drafts

Krebs can fill his 3C role now. His ELC ended this yr.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I would be shocked if he signs more than 6m aav. 28m 5yrs my prediction

Prepare to be shocked

I would be shocked if he accepts a cent under $6M, even for a short term deal. Under similar circumstances, with similar stats, Sam Reinhart signed for 3 years, $6.5M — three years ago, under a flat cap.

One of the reasons Buffalo moved Mittelstadt is that they signed each of Cozens and Thompson to 7-year, 7-million deals based on seasons similar to the year Mitts had last year and is having right now.

It would have been hard for them to argue that Mitts deserved significantly less.

It might be less hard for the Avs, but there is a long line of forwards signing recent long-term deals for between $6-9M per: Barzal, Larkin, Horvat, Aho, Stutzle, Thomas, Norris, Hintz, Kyrou, Fiala, Suzuki, Debrincat, Caufield, Hischier, Keller, Thompson, Cozens, Terry, Boldy, Hagel, Cirelli, and Tippett among them.

You might think most of them are better than Casey, but $2-3M better? If Casey proves he is the good 2C Avs fans hope he is over the next few months, count yourself lucky if the AAV starts with a 6.

 

[Alienblood]

what an L for Colorado. sure you need a 2C but ALL you got back was Mittelstadt?.... wtf happened here?

tell me about it

It’s not all about goal scoring, besides the Avs are the #1 goal scoring team in the entire NHL, so that’s not what they’re missing anyways. They have guys who can score.

Mitts is one of the best playmakers in the league and has a deceptively good shot that he rarely uses. As long as he plays good defense and distributes the puck to the Avs goal scorers, that should be all that is asked of him.

one of the best in the league playmakers now that's rich bud

 

[Remparts666]

Can’t compare what mitts has achieved with any of these forwards . Cozens scored 70pts at 22 yrs old. Maccelli got 3x3 after getting higher ppg than mitts . I expect nothing more than 6aav

 

[HabsAddict]

I would be shocked if he accepts a cent under $6M, even for a short term deal. Under similar circumstances, with similar stats, Sam Reinhart signed for 3 years, $6.5M — three years ago, under a flat cap.

One of the reasons Buffalo moved Mittelstadt is that they signed each of Cozens and Thompson to 7-year, 7-million deals based on seasons similar to the year Mitts had last year and is having right now.

It would have been hard for them to argue that Mitts deserved significantly less.

It might be less hard for the Avs, but there is a long line of forwards signing recent long-term deals for between $6-9M per: Barzal, Larkin, Horvat, Aho, Stutzle, Thomas, Norris, Hintz, Kyrou, Fiala, Suzuki, Debrincat, Caufield, Hischier, Keller, Thompson, Cozens, Terry, Boldy, Hagel, Cirelli, and Tippett among them.

You might think most of them are better than Casey, but $2-3M better? If Casey proves he is the good 2C Avs fans hope he is over the next few months, count yourself lucky if the AAV starts with a 6.

I expect Reinhart to go for 10 and if Mittel hits the open market, he'll get 8. We would pay that.

The cap is rising and top 30-40 centers in the open market are a rare commodity.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Of note: this is part of the Duchense Trade Tree

id love to see it charted out if you’re feeling adventurous .

 

[EdAVSfan]

Major Ouch.

That makes this trade significantly worse for the Avs unless this guy is willing to take a big discount to resign.

Avs don’t have cap space to pay him like a 2C.

Arbitration is definitely not out of the question here. If he came to the Avs to also get paid, he’ll be a little more than a rental played for us. Gone next summer as a UFA.

I guess you’ll continue down this UFA in 1.25 years path until he signs a long term extension.

 

[McJedi]

I guess you’ll continue down this UFA in 1.25 years path until he signs a long term extension.

Looks likes it’s 2.25 years so no. He’s not a long rental.

Until he signs… he’s not under our control… but three playoff runs with Mitts is a lot. I’d be satisfied with that as a worst case scenario.

Mitts looked good in his first game. Nice poise on the puck. Nice compete level.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Looks likes it’s 2.25 years so no. He’s not a long rental.

Until he signs… he’s not under our control… but three playoff runs with Mitts is a lot. Bid be satisfied with that as a worst case scenario.

Mitts looked good in his first game. Nice poise on the puck. Nice compete level.

Exactly, he’s not a rental.

He will be re-signed. The Avs will create space by moving out other contracts if need be. There’s no logical reason to think the avs would treat the 25 year old as rental when they just paid a high price to acquire. He’s legitimately their youngest forward.

Are you suggesting they’ll keep ALL the older guys and treat the youngest as their renta?

You trade away a winger, or a dman to create space.
The Avs will most likely run very thin on their 4th line and bottom pair. Which is fine, because their 1C, 2C, 1D are all locked up.

 

[Chainshot]

Can’t compare what mitts has achieved with any of these forwards . Cozens scored 70pts at 22 yrs old. Maccelli got 3x3 after getting higher ppg than mitts . I expect nothing more than 6aav

Why are you comparing Maccelli's second contract to Mitts' third, and at a different position?

 

[Remparts666]

Why are you comparing Maccelli's second contract to Mitts' third, and at a different

I was replying to the person referring to the following players . Barzal, Larkin, Horvat, Aho, Stutzle, Thomas, Norris, Hintz, Kyrou, Fiala, Suzuki, Debrincat, Caufield, Hischier, Keller, Thompson, Cozens, Terry, Boldy, Hagel
Mitts tops at 6M. Has been good for 15 months , 60 pts center . We can agree to disagree and we’ll see in a few months . I think folks who predicts north of 7m are way off , it is just my take . We’ll see

 

[Meichel Kane]

Byram isn't signed long term either. No reason to think he signs his next deal for anything under 11.5 million with the cap going up.

The smart move was selling high on Makar or Toews.

If Byram commands 11.5 million, then the Sabres got a heck of a steal with this trade.

 

[Patagonia]

AVs got the young 2C they really needed, BUF adds a very high end DMan that is rarely available. BUF likely won on this deal. Mittelstadt currently the better player, but high potential for Byram leans the trade to the Sabres.

Still don't understand why BUF adds another LD? AVs traded surplus to fill a shortfall. BUF didn't need to trade their best player to increase a surplus position. Mittelstadt commands about the same as Cozens and Thompson @ $7.1M per. BUF avoids paying the same amount for another C. Similarly, AVs didn't want to pay another DMan with Makar and Toews.

Byram develops and remains healthy, creates a surplus problem. Dahlin is the better DMen, although, Power is close. How much do they pay Byram for being the 2nd or 3rd best DMen?

Dahlin - $11M
Power - $8.35M
Samuelsson - $4.28M

Byram - $3.85M

BUF shifted paying another C (best player this season) to D. Just don't understand why they made this deal?

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

I expect Reinhart to go for 10 and if Mittel hits the open market, he'll get 8. We would pay that.

The cap is rising and top 30-40 centers in the open market are a rare commodity.

Habs should offer sheet Mitts

 

[Astyanax]

Many don’t like this for Buffalo but I do.

They have a logjam at C with:
Thompson
Cozens
Mittlested
Krebs
Ohlund - coming up soon

It’s a smart more to trade from position of strength. Their center won’t suffer in the near future and they add a top 4 D.

I think Mittlsted is nice but he is not going to outproducr Thompson and Cozens…

Except for, he is doing just that right now? He came in to the league on a slow development curve, but has improved each year. And I can appreciate that bowem has been hurt a bit, and might explode, but are not D prospects Buffalo's greatest strength? On a side note is Tage even a center? Or LW? I forgot who, but someone thought Buffalo was afraid of his new contract and wanted to ship him for something. I'm okay with the cap in general, but if you can't keep your own players that's sad.

 

[Astyanax]

These types of trades for youngish guys are always fun. Hall for Larsson. Johansen for Jones. Drouin for Sergachev.

A lot of uncertainty/high potential that makes them hard to predict.

Young, yes? But not by much. If you had said "change of scene or desperate for a defenseman" sure, but these guys are all close in age. Hall and Larsson were in back yo back drafts for sh*** sake.