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Ya’ll want a team full of talented kids to play like a team full of veterans.

We haven’t come close to paying the price for success. Buckle up.
 
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It starts with preparation, nutrition, and training the right way. I think it might of been @Amazing Kreiderman or @Ola who said it's all fine Kaako gets jacked in the gym and can do dead squats and is shooting on NHL goalies in Finland, but how does he work on his reaction time and to have that insta switch when the other team gets the puck and to work to get it back. The play Barzal made on Fox Thursday night...how many Rangers other than Mike could pull that off?

Panarin doing all these goofy off season IG fashion posts. Look I get it you have to have fun and all that but clearly it starts with the training and being unprepared. You remember when Torts would put the team through conditioning nightmares?

Also with structure and system on the PP. Move around and shoot more or you're not getting PP time. The drop passes and East-West stuff needs to be beaten out of these guys. You think Brayden Point or Anthony Cirelli are tougher than Panarin/Mika/Buch? Hell no. But they play a better game.
 
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I’d really just like to see a system that focuses more on quick transitions and a staggered forecheck. The Rangers transition game remains far below most other teams. The simplest way to get that improvement is to make quicker first steps. I’ve noticed a lot of the younger guys get the puck and immediately their feet stop moving. That’s the kiss of death and it’s something all good hockey coaches remind their players of.

The forecheck system seems non existent in terms of depth. They have this kamikaze first guy in who just seems to get nothing done. The second forward seems to often be hovering somewhere in the middle of the ice maybe 5 or so feet behind the first guy and the third guy is usually at the tops of circles between them and blue line. The issue here is, in hockey if one pass beets 2 players( meaning now they are behind the puck) that’s a disaster because the other team had a huge advantage in the rush. Picture games and think of how often the opposition has no back pressure to deal with.). That’s because, often the opposition is able to have one pass beat 2 forecheckers. It’s been that way since Quinn joined the team. The forecheck should be on one guy hard on the puck, next forward hard on the first pass receiver and the third guy supporting the guy who is hard in the first pass. That will slow other guys down and teams won’t have such an easy time through the neutral zone.

Lineups are still unknown each game which is wild. Buch should not be in the top 6 ( he should not even be on the team) I’d move Alexis up there for now. I’d love him with Mica as that’s likely his future. Bread man and Strome worked so I’d try that. I think Kreider has a chance for top 6 minutes but I’d rather see him in a third line role( not gonna happen but that’s where he’s dominate.). The D pairs are a mess but not much can be done. I don’t the Miller is ready for second pair minutes which leaves you with few options as Johnson and Tony were a train wreck last game. I’d probably keep the pairings as is because the alternatives are probably worse. I’d really like the D group to stop puck watching so much in the D zone and pick up sticks more often.
 
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JHS said:
I’d really just like to see a system that focuses more on quick transitions and a staggered forecheck. The Rangers transition game remains far below most other teams. The simplest way to get that improvement is to make quicker first steps. I’ve noticed a lot of the younger guys get the puck and immediately their feet stop moving. That’s the kiss of death and it’s something all good hockey coaches remind their players of.

The forecheck system seems non existent in terms of depth. They have this kamikaze first guy in who just seems to get nothing done. The second forward seems to often be hovering somewhere in the middle of the ice maybe 5 or so feet behind the first guy and the third guy is usually at the tops of circles between them and blue line. The issue here is, in hockey if one pass beets 2 players( meaning now they are behind the puck) that’s a disaster because the other team had a huge advantage in the rush. Picture games and think of how often the opposition has no back pressure to deal with.). That’s because, often the opposition is able to have one pass beat 2 forecheckers. It’s been that way since Quinn joined the team. The forecheck should be on one guy hard on the puck, next forward hard on the first pass receiver and the third guy supporting the guy who is hard in the first pass. That will slow other guys down and teams won’t have such an easy time through the neutral zone.

Lineups are still unknown each game which is wild. Buch should not be in the top 6 ( he should not even be on the team) I’d move Alexis up there for now. I’d love him with Mica as that’s likely his future. Bread man and Strome worked so I’d try that. I think Kreider has a chance for top 6 minutes but I’d rather see him in a third line role( not gonna happen but that’s where he’s dominate.). The D pairs are a mess but not much can be done. I don’t the Miller is ready for second pair minutes which leaves you with few options as Johnson and Tony were a train wreck last game. I’d probably keep the pairings as is because the alternatives are probably worse. I’d really like the D group to stop puck watching so much in the D zone and pick up sticks more often.
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Buch’s tires are clearly being pumped in advance of a trade. He’s the obvious odd man out.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Buch’s tires are clearly being pumped in advance of a trade. He’s the obvious odd man out.
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Right but the major issue with him is the more he plays with top 6 guys, the more obvious it is he’s not a top 6 guy on most NHL rosters. So in a lot of ways, all that’s happening is the Rangers are showing he can’t handle those minutes when it would make sense if they are trying to pump him up for a trade that they would do the opposite.
 
NYR said:
I figured I'd try to create a constructive thread that addresses how we "ALL" would either coach or like to see how this team is coached.
Let's "ALL" bump heads and create the ultimate system, together!
What can possibly go wrong? :laugh:


And go mofos!
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quick interject to say I applaud this is a great thread idea!

When I get a chance, you'll have my 2 cents.
 
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Offensively, i'd like to see more dump-ins with speed. sometimes they insist on carrying it over the blue and then there's nothing there. and more activation and interchange from the defensemen/forwards in the zone to keep more plays alive.

defensively, there wasn't enough backpressure from Ranger forwards last year a lot of times and it forced Ranger defenseman to be soft and backup in the neutral zone. knowing who the 3rd guy is and making sure he's ready to get on his horse is key. other than that, it's just the simple things like being hard and fast on loose pucks and around your net, boxing out and bodying up.
 
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Play a soft trap and I agree about an improved transition game. They need structure and a system. It might stifle their creativity and youthful energy, but it would be better than them looking like five bambi's on the ice.
 
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Getting Kakko straightened out would be my number one priority.

He would get more PP time and stay with Panarin for a while. I wouldn’t jerk him around mentally, he seems to need positive reinforcement from his play.

What Kakko needs is a 2-4 game goal scoring streak just to get his confidence going at this level.

I think once that happens you will see a different player who is more confident, relaxed and instinctual.
 
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There are many venues, but overall I think it’s hard to argue against a very high octane offensive style — in comparison to the way the game was played 5-10 years ago,

Why are so many goals scored now compared to the draguht we saw for so long? It’s fairly simple, by not first putting the puck in the corner but instead going straight to the net, really challenging Ds 1 on 1, havoc is created. It’s one thing to stop a 1 on 1 attempt, but a whole different thing to stop it and control were the puck goes. If you make a genuine challenge to move the puck to the net — while having defenders join the play and going to the net — on a regular basis you will get bounces. Open chances.

But there is of course a flip side, a reason for why everyone haven’t had 5 skaters going to the net the last century. And that is of course that you expose yourself defensively.

It’s in this area that I think we really fall short. DQ always puts it on the players for taking decisions that ends up leaving us exposed. But I think that is a mistake, and I think you must — count on — exposing yourself if you regularly challenge Ds 1 on 1 and going to the net with Ds joining the play. Moving the puck to get there, making decisions on when to join the rush etc, like mistakes will be made. The intent is to create havoc — but that works both ways.

What I miss is a lot more focus on being able to recover from transition plays against us and surviving those instead of stopping them from happening. The difference between a line great at this and a line that struggles with it — is how well the great lines gets the puck back and shuts things down, after they have lost it. Take Marchand-Bergeron-Pasternak. I think they have been at least a top 3 line in the league the last years. It’s remarkably how well they are at getting back to playing defense and aggressively take the ice away.
 
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Roo Returns said:
It starts with preparation, nutrition, and training the right way. I think it might of been @Amazing Kreiderman or @Ola who said it's all fine Kaako gets jacked in the gym and can do dead squats and is shooting on NHL goalies in Finland, but how does he work on his reaction time and to have that insta switch when the other team gets the puck and to work to get it back. The play Barzal made on Fox Thursday night...how many players in the NHL could pull that off?

Panarin doing all these goofy off season IG fashion posts. Look I get it you have to have fun and all that but clearly it starts with the training and being unprepared. You remember when Torts would put the team through conditioning nightmares?

Also with structure and system on the PP. Move around and shoot more or you're not getting PP time. The drop passes and East-West stuff needs to be beaten out of these guys. You think Brayden Point or Anthony Cirelli are tougher than Panarin/Mika/Buch? Hell no. But they play a better game.
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Fixed it. You were talking about a great play from a star player. Be glad that we even have one player that is capable of that type of skill.
 
No system will fix a group of lazy players, and thats what this team was on thursday. When we move our feet we can play with anyone.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Getting Kakko straightened out would be my number one priority.

He would get more PP time and stay with Panarin for a while. I wouldn’t jerk him around mentally, he seems to need positive reinforcement from his play.

What Kakko needs is a 2-4 game goal scoring streak just to get his confidence going at this level.

I think once that happens you will see a different player who is more confident, relaxed and instinctual.
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Unfortunately that’s pretty unlikely to happen when he only getting 11 minutes of ice, no PP time, and stuck on a line with Di Giuseppi...
 
KreiderBomb said:
I wouldn't read much into his first game, i would have eased him in because its such a different game than he was used to but i still think he is ready once he gets a few games in and gets used to the pace and physicality.
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I'm not worried about KM at all.
I'm worried about DQ's impact on him
 
Crease said:
1-2-2 to start games.
2-1-2 when down.
1-1-3 when up.
Box + 1 in the defensive zone.

The average age of the team is like 21. Keep it simple, and weed out the idiots who can’t follow simple instructions.
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I like this..Alot
 
The Crypto Guy said:
We just want the talented young kids to....play.
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Baloney.

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