Speculation: Coaching Search - Part III: Dan Bylsma deal "imminent"

[OhreallyOrielly]

Does the third round pick have to be our own? Since we don't have one the Pens are probably trying to get a little extra for having to wait. They'll argue that out 3rd this year is practically a 2nd. It's annoying. But, it's business.

 

[joshjull]

Does the third round pick have to be our own? Since we don't have one the Pens are probably trying to get a little extra for having to wait. They'll argue that out 3rd this year is practically a 2nd. It's annoying. But, it's business.

I would think so. I'm also under the impression its a 3rd from any of the next three years.

 

[vcv]

I would think so. I'm also under the impression its a 3rd from any of the next three years.

Thats what was being reported for Chiarelli so seems right.

 

[SackTastic]

If you "fire" or "relieve" a coach of his duties, you should lose your rights to compensation draft picks. It's pretty simple.

That's not how contracts work. He's still under contract, and still their employee. Pittsburgh could just ice him and pay him if they wanted to.

 

[vcv]

Regardless of what you think of Shero's work after the Cup winning year. He is really the architect of their turn around that season. He replaced a hard nose Therrien, who had lost the room, with a players coach in Bylsma. He also went out and got Kunitz and Guerin within a couple weeks of making the coaching change. That basically created the top line the Pens needed by getting very good wingers for Crosby. Kunitz/Crosby/Guerin were #5, #2 and #3 respectively in scoring for the Pens in the playoffs that year.

You're right there. So maybe it makes more sense to say that Shero is god awful at drafting. Or the staff he hired to scout is awful.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

That's not how contracts work. He's still under contract, and still their employee. Pittsburgh could just ice him and pay him if they wanted to.

That would be pretty dumb since he has no responsibilities in their organization.

 

[joshjull]

That's not how contracts work. He's still under contract, and still their employee. Pittsburgh could just ice him and pay him if they wanted to.

True but there is validity to the idea that their compensation should simply be getting relieved of having to pay him anymore.

 

[SackTastic]

Bylsma was never Therrien's assistant. He was promoted from their AHL team when Therrien was fired.

Yeah, you're right. Brain fart.

Generally speaking I don't think it changes much of the point I was making, but yes, I had that wrong.

 

[Paxon]

Does the third round pick have to be our own? Since we don't have one the Pens are probably trying to get a little extra for having to wait. They'll argue that out 3rd this year is practically a 2nd. It's annoying. But, it's business.

It has to be our own but we can choose any of the next three drafts

 

[Mit Yarrum]

http://www.tsn.ca/bylsma-can-stand-on-his-track-record-1.293813

Good article from TSN here.

Yep. Puts Blysma in a very good light.

 

[couture23]

That's not how contracts work. He's still under contract, and still their employee. Pittsburgh could just ice him and pay him if they wanted to.

But he has no responsibility or title. He does nothing but he's still on their books. Pittsburgh's compensation should be not having to pay him anymore since they fired him.

True but there is validity to the idea that their compensation should simply be getting relieved of having to pay him anymore.

This is what I was trying to get at.

 

[Jacob582]

My best guess is that Murray is trying to pawn off one of the potentially lower 3rd rounders while Pittsburgh is insisting on Buffalo's 2016 3rd rounder.

Those would be too simple of a trades for TM.

He likes complex trades with lots of conditions. He's probably throwing in an extra conditional pick and wants players and rights to other players included.


PS the conditions are a page long.

 

[couture23]

It has to be our own but we can choose any of the next three drafts

Is this confirmed?

 

[Selanne00008]

Could be a pride/principle thing with the draft pick. If I'm Murray I really wanna tell Pit to GTFO with crying about compensation.

However if I am Pit and it's a rule, then I owe to my fans and organization to get what I can if it's a rule.


This whole compensation thing is really weird to begin with. In particular with a coach that has been fired. Some teams get a pick, others don't? So what, you play favorites, or depending on what team gets the coach you would then go after a pick? TO me it would make sense that Pit would want a pick from Jersey being in their own division, but they didn't "seek" it out? Odd.

It just seems so vague. Is it in the CBA? Is it always a 3rd rounder sometime over the next 3 years? But, if it's a fired coach it's up to the team that fired said coach to file the paperwork or something for the pick?

It just seems like such a lazy rule not put together very well. Regardless, I would like to tell Pit to shove it, you get nothing and like it.

 

[Paxon]

Is this confirmed?

I saw someone source it on the main board but I can't find it now

 

[Mit Yarrum]

This is so NHL.

 

[McCauleyChirps]

Jim Rutherford: Bending Buffalo over since 2006.

 

[MagnumForce2]

Has it ever happened where a head coach was hired with a compensatory pick and a player's UFA rights or prosect was also included? It would be sort of cool if we got a player or prospect included if we have to include a 3rd.

 

[Myllz]

Has it ever happened where a head coach was hired with a compensatory pick and a player's UFA rights or prosect was also included? It would be sort of cool if we got a player or prospect included if we have to include a 3rd.

Considering the coaching compensation is pretty new, I doubt it.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Has it ever happened where a head coach was hired with a compensatory pick and a player's UFA rights or prosect was also included? It would be sort of cool if we got a player or prospect included if we have to include a 3rd.

I would imagine it does not have to be the 3rd round pick. If Pittsburgh was willing to accept a prospect in lieu of, I am sure that would be within the rules or say a second round pick to Pittsburgh and a prospect comes back. I think it is all up to Pittsburgh

 

[Jame]

Yep. Puts Blysma in a very good light.

I'm curious what the competition was like in the games w/o the studs?
What's Bylsma's record in the regular season vs good/bad teams?

Kind of like how Hitchcock teams dominate weaker competition in the regular season, but in the same season they'll have sub 500 records vs playoff teams. Then they get to the playoffs and consistently get beat...

(im only aware of the record from recent conversation)

Anyone have a link to similar stats?

 

[CatsforReinhart]

http://www.tsn.ca/bylsma-can-stand-on-his-track-record-1.293813

Good article from TSN here.

I can't see why anyone wouldn't be impressed with Pittsburgh finishing 49-25-8 with Crosby, Malkin and Staal missing half a season. Crosby and Malkin were out for the playoffs that year and they went 7 games.(not that its impressive.) If anything it would imply Blysma can get the best out of his players.

 

[B U F F A L O]

I'm curious what the competition was like in the games w/o the studs?
What's Bylsma's record in the regular season vs good/bad teams?

Kind of like how Hitchcock teams dominate weaker competition in the regular season, but in the same season they'll have sub 500 records vs playoff teams. Then they get to the playoffs and consistently get beat...

(im only aware of the record from recent conversation)

Anyone have a link to similar stats?

We could always create a website dedicated to such stats. They exist for players, why not for coaches too... consider this my copyright effective immediately.

 

[SackTastic]

True but there is validity to the idea that their compensation should simply be getting relieved of having to pay him anymore.

Yeah, I can see both sides of the argument I guess. I don't disagree that if Pittsburgh is doing nothing more than paying him to not do anything they don't really deserve anything more than not paying him. Then again, contract employment is such a different animal than at-will, I can see the argument that they should get something back for taking contract action they didn't 'want' to take because of a 3rd party.

I think if the pick is like 5th or down it's more fair. 3rd seems a bit high, agreed.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Bylsma has a cup win under his belt, a Jack Adams and several big regular seasons. He has coached Art Ross and Hart Winners (never had a art Ross winner here)

How Is he not being more coveted ? Not many coaches with this pedigree. He's never missed the playoffs. I'm all aboard and pumped if he is indeed our next coach.