Coaching is a serious problem.

[HuGort]

I'm curious to see what people who actually understand hockey, and have time to zoom in on plays think. I think it looks easy to play against Montreal this year, it screams the eyes. More than last year What is it exactly ? When you look at bottom teams, it's players falling on the ice, fumbling pucks, etc. That's us.

Only 1 natural right D isn't helping. Have two playing on their weakside. Guhle be a #1 if he played 40 consecutive games on left side. Matheson and Barron have both regressed.

Defense they are out of position. Don't stay between their guy and the net. They chase the cycle. Turn the puck over, look hesitant. Just basic stuff. Leading to so many blowouts

 

[Jack Spider]

Only 1 natural right D isn't helping. Have two playing on their weakside. Guhle be a #1 if he played 40 consecutive games on left side. Matheson and Barron have both regressed.

Defense they are out of position. Don't stay between their guy and the net. They chase the cycle. Turn the puck over, look hesitant. Just basic stuff. Leading to so many blowouts

The lack of depth on rd is a good point. MSL looks depressed after every loss.

 

[Rapala]

Not sure of the argument you’re trying to make. You bring up organizations that have been dysfunctional for a decade. What is this supposed to prove?

Utah looks good. Heck San Jose, which you bring up, clearly look better. The Devils look great.

The Habs have the worst goal differential in the league. This is normal to you? You think they look well coached?

I agree what is the use of using other organizations as an example or a measuring stick of what is and what isn't concerning our team.
Where were we-where are we-and where can we get to with our current assets including staff?

We've already missed the boat when it comes to hoping to play important games heading into TDL.
The coaching/roster build was not nearly good enough for the important games we've already lost.

I mean it's easy to see why fans are upset with the current product.
What I can't believe is the ability some have at finding excuses.
I can't remember an entire season when we've been blown out of so many games and we are only heading into game 30.

 

[teamfirst]

What I can't believe is the ability some have at finding excuses.

Pretty much that to me to.

 

[le_sean]

I agree what is the use of using other organizations as an example or a measuring stick of what is and what isn't concerning our team.
Where were we-where are we-and where can we get to with our current assets including staff?

We've already missed the boat when it comes to hoping to play important games heading into TDL.
The coaching/roster build was not nearly good enough for the important games we've already lost.

I mean it's easy to see why fans are upset with the current product.
What I can't believe is the ability some have at finding excuses.
I can't remember an entire season when we've been blown out of so many games and we are only heading into game 30.

Yeah last year they were competitive, even if they lost often. I never felt they were truly out of many games. That goes hand-in-hand with being 20th in 5v5 goal differential. It was actually fun to watch as a fan.

This season is difficult to sit through.

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

I haven't seen too many full games this year. For those who have can you tell me if Marty St. Louis calls a timeout every once in a while?

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I haven't seen too many full games this year. For those who have can you tell me if Marty St. Louis calls a timeout every once in a while?

Almost never

Give up 2 or 3 early, not a peep from the Philosopher Kinglet

Then bam, down 4 not long after

 

[Habby4Life]

I agree what is the use of using other organizations as an example or a measuring stick of what is and what isn't concerning our team.
Where were we-where are we-and where can we get to with our current assets including staff?

We've already missed the boat when it comes to hoping to play important games heading into TDL.
The coaching/roster build was not nearly good enough for the important games we've already lost.

I mean it's easy to see why fans are upset with the current product.
What I can't believe is the ability some have at finding excuses.
I can't remember an entire season when we've been blown out of so many games and we are only heading into game 30.

I agree. I can’t remember seeing a habs team being so putrid in their own end and I first started watching in the early 70s. Since then I have seen some bad teams but this is one of the worst.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And now it’s gone right back down.

Dude’s pacing for 50 goals…

I agree. I can’t remember seeing a habs team being so putrid in their own end and I first started watching in the early 70s. Since then I have seen some bad teams but this is one of the worst.

Not even close to as bad as we were.

And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.

 

[teamfirst]

And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.

Call me crazy but i exepcted to see some improvement when Gorton said that we need to be better in our own end in his end of the season presser.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Call me crazy but i exepcted to see some improvement when Gorton said that we need to be better in our own end in his end of the season presser.

I expected an 85 point team. But a big part of that came from my belief that we’d have a healthy Kirby Dach. I consistently said that he was the key to our season. And unfortunately he has been - but in the worst way possible.

The top line looks good. The bottom six look good. The D has (expectedly) been bad and the 2nd line has really sucked. And that’s been a huge killer. Other problems exist, our backup goalie also can’t stop a beach ball for example.

Again, even with a healthy Dach I thought we’d be out of the playoffs. With him sucking though? It’s a huge loss. Not only are we not getting the additional production we expected, he’s also hurt us in a lot of games and has killed his linemates.

The two main areas I thought we’d improve would be Huston (particularly on the pp) and extra offense from a real 2nd line. Part of it has materialized but we still need something to change with the 2nd. If we don’t, I don’t see us getting much better. Nick and CC will continue to produce but we need secondary guys to score. Newhook isn’t good enough to carry the line and as good as Laine been on the PP, he still looks pretty rusty himself.

 

[teamfirst]

I expected an 85 point team. But a big part of that came from my belief that we’d have a healthy Kirby Dach. I consistently said that he was the key to our season. And unfortunately he has been - but in the worst way possible.

The top line looks good. The bottom six look good. The D has (expectedly) been bad and the 2nd line has really sucked. And that’s been a huge killer. Other problems exist, our backup goalie also can’t stop a beach ball for example.

Again, even with a healthy Dach I thought we’d be out of the playoffs. With him sucking though? It’s a huge loss. Not only are we not getting the additional production we expected, he’s also hurt us in a lot of games and has killed his linemates.

The two main areas I thought we’d improve would be Huston (particularly on the pp) and extra offense from a real 2nd line. Part of it has materialized but we still need something to change with the 2nd. If we don’t, I don’t see us getting much better. Nick and CC will continue to produce but we need secondary guys to score. Newhook isn’t good enough to carry the line and as good as Laine been on the PP, he still looks pretty rusty himself.

All cool but i was referring to your comment saying

''And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.''

 

[Habby4Life]

Dude’s pacing for 50 goals…

Not even close to as bad as we were.

And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.

I don’t know why it quoted you regarding CC I did not intend to reply, that’s why I deleted it after I posted. Please ignore it.

Ill disagree on how bad their are in the own end. This is one of the poorest defensive habs teams I have seen. They have taken a huge step backwards from last year. Also, one of the worst coached as well. I like a lot of Hugo has done but the shine is gone, as some of his decisions have not been good.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

All cool but i was referring to your comment saying

''And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.''

What about it?

 

[teamfirst]

What about it?

Reading or comprehension problem ......maybe

You said

''And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.''



And i replied

Call me crazy but i exepcted to see some improvement when Gorton said that we need to be better in our own end in his end of the season presser.

But hey, no worry's i'm used to you going on a rant about anything but whatever i was posting about.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Reading or comprehension problem ......maybe

You said

''And we all expected us to be bad in our own end. That’s not a surprise at all.''



And i replied




But hey, no worry's i'm used to you going on a rant about anything but whatever i was posting about.

I'm sorry man, but I don't understand your post. What point are you trying to make?

 

[teamfirst]

I'm sorry man, but I don't understand your post. What point are you trying to make?

OK , no problem, pas de trouble, no problemo

 

[BLONG7]

"Mike Matheson back on the first wave of the power play. (in place of Lane Hutson)" - Priyanta Emrith


sigh.........................................

Sigh...............................X 10 !!

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

It's important to have a positive coach like MSL during a tanking rebuild.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Call me crazy but i exepcted to see some improvement when Gorton said that we need to be better in our own end in his end of the season presser.

Gorton is correct we do need to be better in our own end, the fact we aren't doesn't make that any less true.

What shouldn't be surprising is that the D got younger, lost some depth and experience, and that it has naturally struggled.

I truly believe management had big plans for Reinbacher this season and his injury hasn't helped. Especially at RD.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Apart from the 2nd line, we've been good. When players on the 2nd line have moved to the first, they've improved... that's a roster issue sir.

How so ? Consistently outshot ? Can't cycle the puck ? Can't defend in their own zone. Poor effort ... That s not just one line which is playing really Bad, the whole team is.
But I Guess Hughes has been rewarding Friends and former clients so every Habs fan should be happy right ?

 

[RationalExpectations]

It's important to have a positive coach like MSL during a tanking rebuild.

Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Barron Guhle Xhekaj Struble all in their D+5 - D+8, Laine Matheson Savard Evans Gallagher Anderson Armia Dvorak all seasoned vets. This positive approach which is the communication way of saying no accountability does not work AT school and does not work in hockey. They go back to training and start winning or they get bought out / don't get another contract. Mediocrity without repercussions only ensures more mediocrity

 

[RationalExpectations]

Pretty much that to me to.

Communication... Now fans think winning the SC is not important, what is important is to have the best prospect pool and they don't Care about whether or not it will work out in the NHL. That s what happens when you value the means rather than the end.

 

[Jurivan Demidovsky]

Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Barron Guhle Xhekaj Struble all in their D+5 - D+8, Laine Matheson Savard Evans Gallagher Anderson Armia Dvorak all seasoned vets. This positive approach which is the communication way of saying no accountability does not work AT school and does not work in hockey. They go back to training and start winning or they get bought out / don't get another contract. Mediocrity without repercussions only ensures more mediocrity

We're expected to be bad right now. He's a rookie coach, perfect for a rebuild.

 

[le_sean]

We're expected to be bad right now. He's a rookie coach, perfect for a rebuild.

How is a rookie coach perfect for a rebuild? That they are learning nothing because he knows nothing? That he can’t make adjustments to help them? That he doesn’t seem willing to hold players accountable?

If he’s perfect for a rebuild that must mean the team is incrementally improving from year to year as the young players get more experience and the front office adds more talent? Oh no wait, the team is significantly worse this year than last.