Post-Game Talk: Close but no cigar Jets lose in OT 5-4

[Atoyot]

Offensively PLD isn’t Scheifele and never will be. The potential of PLD being our number 1 C next season, makes me more than a bit nervous.

That's fine, I believe that at this point Dubois provides more of a net benefit than Scheifele. And at 23 vs 29 the difference between them will just continue to grow.

 

[surixon]

Structure is for your side of the red line and special teams. After that, for the most part you have to let your horses run.

Agreed. I think you can have general offensive guidelines and ideas on what you want to do but you leave it up to the skill to work out of to get it done.

I don't think it's much of a surprise that many of our players had their best years offensively in 16-17 where Maurice just let the forwards do what they wanted in the offensive end.

 

[RetroWinnipeg]

Well, that was a commendable effort against the powerhouse Avalanche tonight.

And frankly, I was about to rant about those exciting Raptors and Jays games that were going on...before things got exciting with that late-tying goal.

Colorado did come in as advertised, but Ehlers and Scheifele did their magic to provide some excitement in this garbage time point of the season. Plus superfan Alex made this a rocking joint in what would has recently been Canada Dead Centre.

This homestand was awful on the whole, but at least we got something out of tonight.

3 Stans

 

[surixon]

Oh absolutely, I don't mind having the discussion though! We agree on a lot of things, always nice to see where we differ

Who would your choice be to coach this group? I wouldn't mind Groulx either as he was a dominant offensive minded junior coach and has been in Tampa's system for a while.

 

[Ducky10]

He won't ever score like him, he doesn't have the hands or shot but he does contribute a lot in other ways. I think he's going to be streaky in terms of his scoring.

That’s why I said offensively. I understand he contributes in other ways but his scoring is not that of a top C. His last 15 games have been terrible.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

He wasn’t brutal.

Most of those goals were very stoppable

 

[surixon]

That’s why I said offensively. I understand he contributes in other ways but his scoring is not that of a top C. His last 15 games have been terrible.

Yeah he's proving to be streaky when they go in they go in. When they don't they don't even though he's always getting looks around the red paint. If he had a bit better hands he'd be a star, still a great player though. It's why we will need to keep our high skilled wingers to produce points. Tampa uses a similar model with Cirelli as one of their top 6 centers.

 

[Ducky10]

That's fine, I believe that at this point Dubois provides more of a net benefit than Scheifele. And at 23 vs 29 the difference between them will just continue to grow.

Sure, Dubois will be more of a net benefit than Scheifele given the difference in age. That’s obvious. The point is though, Dubois doesn’t score like a top C and that lack of production is going to be felt. If our top C is in the 60-65 point range, Chevy better work some magic on that blue line and Helle better be up to the task the next couple years.

 

[Ggg99]

I watch Scheifele barely try in some games and end the night with 2 points. PLD works his ass off every shift yet only hits 60 points in a good year. Not discounting PLD's effort but the points aren't there at the level of a 1C on a cup contender. Maybe you can contend if you had 2 PLDs but if he's our 1C making 8 million a year next season we need more points out of him. I have no complaints about his game other than points, the physicality and effort is always there.

Very astute post. Offensively gifted players at a point per game level are a rare commodity. And Scheifele is one. And you need one at 1C.

PLD is not one. Yet. But his give a shit meter is thru the roof.

So big conundrum for Chevy when your 1C only really gives a shit when the moon is blue. But still gives you a point per game.

Short answer. You keep both. And Chevy will.

 

[surixon]

Sure, Dubois will be more of a net benefit than Scheifele given the difference in age. That’s obvious. The point is though, Dubois doesn’t score like a top C and that lack of production is going to be felt. If our top C is in the 60-65 point range, Chevy better work some magic on that blue line and Helle better be up to the task the next couple years.

I think we need to hope Cole grows into a Point/Aho caliber top C whether Mark stays or not to really reopen the window.

 

[Deedog99]

Get a proper coach and 55 80 will be a great 1-2 punch. 80 does not have enough offense to be a 1C.

 

[Deedog99]

I think we need to hope Cole grows into a Point/Aho caliber top C whether Mark stays or not to really reopen the window.

Perfetti is a winger in the nhl.

 

[FFHockey]

Dillon, Wheeler, NY's 2nd rounder and Chisholm for Konecny!

Konecny and Sanheim maybe…. I like Konecny but that’s a shit ton just for him.

 

[Ducky10]

I think we need to hope Cole grows into a Point/Aho caliber top C whether Mark stays or not to really reopen the window.

Definitely and Connor will need to continue to score at his current rate and Ehlers will need to start producing at a higher rate. Still leaves the team thin if Scheifele leaves and a fair bit of his production isn’t replaced.

 

[Ducky10]

Perfetti is a winger in the nhl.

That’s your expert call after 18 games is it?
You have no way of knowing that.

 

[10Ducky10]

Konecny and Sanheim maybe…. I like Konecny but that’s a shit ton just for him.

They're taking over 12m off of our cap and only sending back 5.25m.
I'd do it in a heart beat.

 

[Ducky10]

I watch Scheifele barely try in some games and end the night with 2 points. PLD works his ass off every shift yet only hits 60 points in a good year. Not discounting PLD's effort but the points aren't there at the level of a 1C on a cup contender. Maybe you can contend if you had 2 PLDs but if he's our 1C making 8 million a year next season we need more points out of him. I have no complaints about his game other than points, the physicality and effort is always there.

Yep, wasn’t criticizing PLD at all, I like his game. He needs to score at a higher rate for the Jets to contend though, unless someone else can contribute similarly.

 

[surixon]

Yep, wasn’t criticizing PLD at all, I like his game. He needs to score at a higher rate for the Jets to contend though, unless someone else can contribute similarly.

Yeah I think he's a very good 1 B that can wear teams down and chip in 65 points. The question is whether Mark can get his game back to 16-18 levels where he was a ppg while being a net positive metric player.

 

[GNP]

Offensively PLD isn’t Scheifele and never will be. The potential of PLD being our number 1 C next season, makes me more than a bit nervous.

Totally agree with this post, as I don't think Dubois has the scoring hands of a # 1 center. He doesn't have the touch like Scheifele, Connor, or Ehlers. I like him as a power forward for what he brings, and he has decent scoring hands, but I think to pay this guy 8 $ mil would be a big mistake -- maybe around $ 6mil ? It be nice if he could step into Scheifele's spot as the # 1 center, but he doesn't have the scoring hands, but as a # 2 power center, he can be a very good asset.

On average it's likely PLD will score in the 20-25 goal mark per season with about 35 -40 assists, which is basically what the Jets thought before acquiring him.

 

[snowkiddin]

Yeah I think he's a very good 1 B that can wear teams down and chip in 65 points. The question is whether Mark can get his game back to 16-18 levels where he was a ppg while being a net positive metric player.

How do you pronounce your username? “Sir-ex-uhn”? That’s how I say it in my head.

 

[LowLefty]

Definitely and Connor will need to continue to score at his current rate and Ehlers will need to start producing at a higher rate. Still leaves the team thin if Scheifele leaves and a fair bit of his production isn’t replaced.

Do we need as much production if he leaves?

 

[GNP]

I think we need to hope Cole grows into a Point/Aho caliber top C whether Mark stays or not to really reopen the window.

From what I saw from Cole this year, and only 20 years old, there's a lot of upside there, and he looks like he'll turn into a playmaking center, and a good one. He'll likely turn into somewhat of a Paul Stastny in his prime, which would be great for the Jets. He has a lot of poise, and doesn't panic with the puck for a young guy. He's going to be a good one in my opinion.

 

[GaryPoppins]

This team is just a mystery wrapped in a riddle. I just don't understand how they can suddenly look so engaged and dynamic after so many games of looking like they would rather be anywhere else.

But at least we got to see an exciting game.

Now if we could play some of the younger players like Samberg and Chisholm more to get them playing time that would be appreciated.

NEXT

Chisholm is injured currently fwiw

 

[Section 325]

Lol at this team trying to turn it up when its already been too late.

Well, we've seen that in a lot of games this year

(flips a scarf and walks away)

 

[RabidOne]

Helle is on track to play the highest number of minutes by a goalie since the 16-17 season. Also leads all goalies in that time frame by over 1000 minutes.
Tied for 4th in sv% for goalies over 10000 minutes in that span.
9th in GAA in that span
Has faced in the neighbourhood of 500 more SA than the next closest goalie in that span.
Faced the most HDSA the past 3 years.


I could go on, but why bother.

You can only ride a guy so long. The last 3 years have been a complete shit show from a workload and player management perspective. He’s the only reason this team hasn’t been a lottery team.

Pile on though people.

I saw that today.Another wtf from the coaching staff. Maybe put the backup in every once in a while. He actually hasn't looked awful.