SoupNazi
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- Feb 6, 2010
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Doesn't Cleary only have 1P this season? The goal that Alfie fed him in Boston, right?
Terrible, lol.
One goal and two assists, 3 points. Still not much better.
Doesn't Cleary only have 1P this season? The goal that Alfie fed him in Boston, right?
Terrible, lol.
I agree there have been mistakes made in some signings. But I don't think I'm ready to jump off any buildings. We aren't out of a playoff spot. The reason we are not playing up to snuff isn't because Nyquist isn't in the line up. He's not that good. Just better than Cleary. This team is under performing and still in a playoff position. I don't think they will play worse than this for the rest of the year.
Out of the lineup, just one more demotion to go... as in, out of the organization. Seeing as he is still under 35, it should be him hitting the waiver wire to recoup a roster space and 900K+ of cap space.
Conspiracy theory: Babcock wanted Cleary off the team from the start, so he gives Cleary a ton of minutes in the hopes that it would make it even more obvious to Holland how useless he is.
Aren't we getting a little dramatic considering where we are in the standings? Let's not kid our selves about our line up either. We wouldn't be running away with the presidents trophy if we had Nyquist in the lineup over Cleary. Yes I think Nyquist is better but adding a 30 point player to the line up isn't going to make a huge difference. Things will work them selves out. Holland has once again assembled a very competitive team.
When you also add in the number of under performing players we have I think things will only get better.
Babcock is the one who has been insisting on playing him 15+ minutes a game, not Holland.
Cleary isn't the reason we aren't doing well. It's the whole team.
I remember Holland has talked about this "system" before. They go with at vet as long as it seems obvious that it's time to replace him with kids. Kids have to play those vets out of the roster by being better.
This has happened in earlier seasons. At the playoffs, we have used more kids compared to regular season. They want to see and get evidence, that it really is the case, then start executing guys and brings kids in.
But they don't want go straight from the start with kids. If those kids fail, there's no plan B, other than trading assets away during the season. But if you start with vets (a plan A) and if they fail then go to plan B (kids). Those kids won't cost any assets to promote in.
Signing vets from UFA (Plan A) and going with kids as (Plan B) is better asset management
than
going with kids (Plan A) and trading for vets as Plan B.
That's IMHO is the Red Wings management logic.
I remember Holland has talked about this "system" before. They go with at vet as long as it seems obvious that it's time to replace him with kids. Kids have to play those vets out of the roster by being better.
This has happened in earlier seasons. At the playoffs, we have used more kids compared to regular season. They want to see and get evidence, that it really is the case, then start executing guys and brings kids in.
But they don't want go straight from the start with kids. If those kids fail, there's no plan B, other than trading assets away during the season. But if you start with vets (a plan A) and if they fail then go to plan B (kids). Those kids won't cost any assets to promote in.
Signing vets from UFA (Plan A) and going with kids as (Plan B) is better asset management
than
going with kids (Plan A) and trading for vets as Plan B.
That's IMHO is the Red Wings management logic.
"For a guy of his hockey sense and ability, he's got to be a factor every night," Babcock said. "I don't see that."
Conspiracy theory: Babcock wanted Cleary off the team from the start, so he gives Cleary a ton of minutes in the hopes that it would make it even more obvious to Holland how useless he is.
Certain players, and the team in general, are under-performing because there are anchors scattered throughout the lineup. When Cleary is on the ice, the team might as well be short handed. When Sammy is on the ice, the team might as well be short handed. Franzen has been invisible. Abdelkader is playing in a spot well above what he is capable. Weiss hasn't figured out how to play in a new system yet.
Now, Weiss will eventually get his act together. Abdelkader, if returned to the 4th line, can be effective in his appropriate role. Franzen... COULD be a lost cause.
But, Cleary and Samuelsson are beyond hope. They are done. They need to go posthaste.
another problem with signing vets: they might regress. i'm looking at you sammy.
and unlike with kids, they might become untradeable and waste roster/cap space.
Yep, but Sammy didn't cost any asset, Cleary didn't cost any asset, Tootoo didn't cost any asset because they were FREE AGENTS.
If those kids won't pan out, trading DURING THE SEASON for vet help costs always assets.
So it's this rebuilding on the fly ideology. You keep your assets.
Yep, but Sammy didn't cost any asset, Cleary didn't cost any asset, Tootoo didn't cost any asset because they were FREE AGENTS.
If those kids won't pan out, trading DURING THE SEASON for vet help costs always assets.
So it's this rebuilding on the fly ideology. You keep your assets.
Yep, but Sammy didn't cost any asset, Cleary didn't cost any asset, Tootoo didn't cost any asset because they were FREE AGENTS.
If those kids won't pan out, trading DURING THE SEASON for vet help costs always assets.
So it's this rebuilding on the fly ideology. You keep your assets.
Yep, but Sammy didn't cost any asset, Cleary didn't cost any asset, Tootoo didn't cost any asset because they were FREE AGENTS.
If those kids won't pan out, trading DURING THE SEASON for vet help costs always assets.
So it's this rebuilding on the fly ideology. You keep your assets.
I remember Holland has talked about this "system" before. They go with at vet as long as it seems obvious that it's time to replace him with kids. Kids have to play those vets out of the roster by being better.
This has happened in earlier seasons. At the playoffs, we have used more kids compared to regular season. They want to see and get evidence, that it really is the case, then start executing guys and brings kids in.
But they don't want go straight from the start with kids. If those kids fail, there's no plan B, other than trading assets away during the season. But if you start with vets (a plan A) and if they fail then go to plan B (kids). Those kids won't cost any assets to promote in.
Signing vets from UFA (Plan A) and going with kids as (Plan B) is better asset management
than
going with kids (Plan A) and trading for vets as Plan B.
That's IMHO is the Red Wings management logic.