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Classic Wrestling Discussion (as in non-current): Part II

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Pretty much every Hogan feud of the 80s and early 90s was the same Hogan was supposed to be the face but was really dickish to his friends, which in turn caused them to 'turn' on Hogan.

I'm still shocked that they never turned Beefcake during his WWF run.
 
Loosie said:
Pretty much every Hogan feud of the 80s and early 90s was the same Hogan was supposed to be the face but was really dickish to his friends, which in turn caused them to 'turn' on Hogan.

I'm still shocked that they never turned Beefcake during his WWF run.
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He did start there as a heel, though.
 
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Pretty much every Hogan feud of the 80s and early 90s was the same Hogan was supposed to be the face but was really dickish to his friends, which in turn caused them to 'turn' on Hogan.

I'm still shocked that they never turned Beefcake during his WWF run.
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If Beefer didn't blow his face up in that boating accident I bet they would have.

It eventually happened on WCW.
 
Beefcake wasn't exactly setting the world on fire as a mid-card face. He was over but not even at the level of say Jake Roberts.

Turning him just to feud with Hogan would have bombed. Especially with the Hogan machine beginning to slow down. Beefcake really was the perfect ally for Hogan.

They tried to do the same friendship with Tugboat(better known as the Shockmaster) while Beefcake was on the shelf with his busted face and it died a horrible death. Leading Tugboat to be replaced by the Big Boss Man as Hogan's current BFF for Summerslam.

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In unrelated news, I picked up the Best of Saturday Night's Main Event and Jake Roberts dvd sets for next to nothing the other day.

Seeing as I don't collect these and they're likely not even worth selling back, would anyone be interested in exchanging other titles just collecting dust?

A local store by me has tons of wrestling dvd's at 50% off for a limited time. So I'm tempted to buy more and possibly swap them for stuff I haven't seen in a while or at all. For all you Big Show fans, they had at least five or more copies of his documentary dvd.
 
Been watching a bit more of the network this week as opposed to my usual YouTube viewing.

SuperClash 3
- Alternates between a lovely trainwreck and a horrible trainwreck.
- The Lawler-Von Erich match was way better than it had any right to be, crummy finish excepted. And that's even more true when you find out that Kerry accidentally bladed his arm on the way to the ring. Yeah. Great carry job by Lawler.
- They end the show with a double DQ in a tag match. And you wondered why the AWA died.
- Ronnie Garvin deserved a ton of credit for even showing up, given that he was already on WWF TV. Was literally on Prime Time Wrestling the night before the PPV.

And now watching Wrestlemania 6, such a fun show. And if you've ever followed my musings, you know I have this unabashed love for the SkyDome.

Edit: <kayfabe alert> You know...maybe the Colossal Connection would have won if they only used Andre more. Wouldn't be the last time a team failed to use their closer in a big spot in that building. (and there is your Andre the Giant/Zach Britton cross-comparison)
 
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On the list of Jesse the Body commentary moments, most of his Wrestlemania 5 stuff will still be #1 for me.

But the riffing on the combined weight of Dusty and Sapphire at WM6 gets me every time.

"At a combined weight of 465 pounds..."
"Wait a minute, you're telling me Rhodes only weighs 200????"
 
bruins309 said:
On the list of Jesse the Body commentary moments, most of his Wrestlemania 5 stuff will still be #1 for me.

But the riffing on the combined weight of Dusty and Sapphire at WM6 gets me every time.

"At a combined weight of 465 pounds..."
"Wait a minute, you're telling me Rhodes only weighs 200????"
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Classic Ventura! :laugh:
 
Guardian17 said:
Very happy today, I finally got to meet Baron Von Raschke in Winnipeg!

That's all the people need to know!

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Wow, he's looking great! And you look like Mean Gene...

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I definitely watched that SummerSlam live as a kid, but I didn't notice/realize at the time that BVR was their manager then.
 
I feel like I need to be fair to Lawler here compared to Jesse and Brain. I don't think Ventura or Heenan could have done as well as King in that late 90s attitude period. It was perfect for him, a big slice of Memphis playing out nationally.

I'm pro Jesse because he's funny too and for his insight. I loved how he was an advocate for Rude, Savage, etc.

But I admit that Heenan when properly motivated was the best at making bad matches watchable.
 
Ozz said:
Wow, he's looking great! And you look like Mean Gene...

:sarcasm:


I definitely watched that SummerSlam live as a kid, but I didn't notice/realize at the time that BVR was their manager then.
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Lol. :laugh:

I just wish I had the chance to "interview" Mad Dog Vachon.

 
Watching over the spring of 1997 and my GOD Bret Hart's heel turn was absolutely amazing. A young Sunny would've had the Hitman's back the whole way. Well at least up to a certain point. Dude got screwed more than in actor in a porno flick.
 
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It really did. But I've got to say Hart was absolutely amazing at what he did. I'd have to say he was even better than Michaels. That's a tough call to make but Bret narrowly edges out because he could do almost anything on the stick whereas Michaels' character was a narrow. He could pull off smart ass and that was just about it.
 
And my God it just absolutely amazes me how quickly and how drastically Monday Night Raw changed. From the look, the music to the risque angles. I don't know what took place in the board meetings in the WWF but I'd have given anything to be a fly on the wall at that time when the decision was made, "We're gonna have to up the intensity of the violence, vulgarity, make more dangerous stunts and above all we need to make this as intense as possible. Fireworks, thrash music, alcohol, weapons, steel and sex appeal."

I don't know how long the transformation was in the works but blows me away that before Mania 12 it was for the most part a clean, crisp and pleasantly polished one hour of TV. They amped it up a little bit because "The Next Generation" was becoming a low-light of WWF programming. Yet by St Patrick's day 1997 Bret Hart is going on a profanity laced tirade, the next week he attacks The Rock and Michaels and gets on the latter's case about shooting for playgirl or whatever it was.

The only logical conclusion I have is that they must have planned the Attitude Era as soon as Nash and Hall left for WCW or at least said, "What are we gonna do about this?"
 
Emperoreddy said:
Listening to Bryan and Vinny's retro shows is quickly reminding me that the attitude era wasn't THAT great.
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I don't know man. At the time I think the people in the arena and the average 6.0 viewership Raw was pulling that summer would have disagreed with you



The failure of WWE programming is as simple as not providing an actually entertaining product. You don't need T&A, alcohol and excessive violence to bring about this kind of response from people. The problem is that this video was taken 17 years ago and the man who comes out in this video is the ONLY capable talent on the mic who can make you laugh without relying on a stupid catchphrase.

WWE has arguably the deepest and most talented roster in its entire history yet it cannot think of better material for wrestlers to say than stupid **** like "sniveling sellout suck up full of suffering succotash"
 
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