Player Discussion Christian Dvorak Part 2

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Have them on the same line and split them on PK

Meh we both know it won't happen like that

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

This guy was horrible since he joined our team and started to play a bit before deadline on his contract year.
Would probably have given him the 4th line center but since habs signed Evans for no reasons. I don't think this team can have both of them in the bottom 6 center next year

Yeah part of me is definitely concerned about the contract year push, Evans has pulled a DD since getting the $. If Hughes has something more concrete at play happy to go a different route but we can’t pencil Dach, Newhook, Beck or Kapanen into the 3C (or even 4C to be honest)

 

[Habitant#1]

Re-signing this guy after a good second half in a contract year would be a mistake IMO.
I realise he's been part of a very effective line, but the Habs have to keep some renewal happening in the bottom 6.

In an ideal world where the Habs acquire a good 2C, it would be great to condense the current veteran bottom six into one line, and build a more offensive 3rd line.

Bottom 9:
Dach-2C-Demidov
Newhook-??-??
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher (although this is three righties)

(Newhook needs to learn to kill penalties too, but that's a seperate topic)

ADDIT: I was thinking Armia would be reasonable to sign as a 13th forward on a one year deal, but come to think of it maybe it would be better to do that with Dvorak?

 

[Big Trout]

I have a theory that Dvo was a sleeper agent for the tank years and as soon as the team got competitive his work was done.

What we see now is Dvo unleashed from his shackles!

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Dude shows up for 5% of his contract and suddenly people want to sign him.

Hopefully Hughes is smarter than that.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Re-signing this guy after a good second half in a contract year would be a mistake IMO.
I realise he's been part of a very effective line, but the Habs have to keep some renewal happening in the bottom 6.

In an ideal world where the Habs acquire a good 2C, it would be great to condense the current veteran bottom six into one line, and build a more offensive 3rd line.

Bottom 9:
Dach-2C-Demidov
Newhook-??-??
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher (although this is three righties)

(Newhook needs to learn to kill penalties too, but that's a seperate topic)

ADDIT: I was thinking Armia would be reasonable to sign as a 13th forward on a one year deal, but come to think of it maybe it would be better to do that with Dvorak?

We only have two working lines and Dvo is at the center of one of them. If we don't re-sign Dvo, then we run the risk of having only one functioning line. I agree we have to churn out youngsters through the bottom 6, but we should do that once we have our top two lines established, or again, we run the risk of having only one functioning line. There are two years left to Andy and Gally's contracts, so keeping Dvo with them should give us another functioning line, giving us two years to sort out the Demidov and Evans lines. Once we've established at least another stable line, then we can start to dismantle the Dvo line. Or else we might regress next year.

The contract year surge is indeed concerning, but having him on a one or two year deal might curtail a return to underperformance. But is it really a contract year surge or has he finally found a niche where he's very useful?

 

[CzarDemidov]

Dude shows up for 5% of his contract and suddenly people want to sign him.

Hopefully Hughes is smarter than that.

I see it both ways but he did have a pretty decent reputation before he was acquired by Montreal. He instantly joined a team in disarray that was hardcore tanking. I don't think he's part of the solution but he could be just a decent foot soldier until there's a better option available.

We haven't seen enough of Hughes in terms of team BUILDING to know how conservative he is with retaining players or churning through upgrades. Dvorak will give us some indications to that... the UFA market is barren.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Dude shows up for 5% of his contract and suddenly people want to sign him.

Hopefully Hughes is smarter than that.

Hughes is smarter than leaving out his coach to dry with only one established line.

It would be a huge gamble torwards regression if we don't re-sign Dvo and roll the dice on a 2C to fit with Demi and sorting out the bottom lines with guys like Dach or Newhook, replacing Dvo. We could easily end-up with 13-14-20 being the only stable line and we would probably miss the playoffs in that case.

 

[Archijerej]

I see it both ways but he did have a pretty decent reputation before he was acquired by Montreal. He instantly joined a team in disarray that was hardcore tanking. I don't think he's part of the solution but he could be just a decent foot soldier until there's a better option available.

We haven't seen enough of Hughes in terms of team BUILDING to know how conservative he is with retaining players or churning through upgrades. Dvorak will give us some indications to that... the UFA market is barren.

He also had his career best P/GP in his first season with us and has not been healthy the following two seasons.

Dismissing Dvorak as an option for next year only makes sense if people have someone better in mind, or if they believe we are still at the stage where graduating mid-level prospects is more important than results on the ice.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

4 x $3.5MM

I'm gonna puke.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Hughes is smarter than leaving out his coach to dry with only one established line.

It would be a huge gamble torwards regression if we don't re-sign Dvo and roll the dice on a 2C to fit with Demi and sorting out the bottom lines with guys like Dach or Newhook, replacing Dvo. We could easily end-up with 13-14-20 being the only stable line and we would probably miss the playoffs in that case.

They are now the only good line. If Dvorak is important to making the playoffs there is no point making them. Might as well tank for McKenna

 

[Habitant#1]

You'll never win playoff series with both Dvorak and Evans in your centre line. It's one or the other IMO.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

I'm gonna puke.

The guy decides to show up and look semi-interested for the first time in 4 years and now he should be re-signed at all costs. 4 more years at 3.5 for a bum who will mail it in before the ink is dry on that contract lmao, what a joke.

Some people have no standards whatsoever when it comes to this team.

 

[waitin425]

I think he probably gets squeezed out. The only scenario I think we re-sign him is if we can't land a 2C and are forced to put Dach or Newhook in the 2nd line centre role.

If we sign a 2C there simply is no more room unless we trade one of Dach or Newhook.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - 2C - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally

With that being said......takes a lot of draws for us and has played very well.

I do think his loss will be felt.

 

[Dagistitsyn]

I think he probably gets squeezed out. The only scenario I think we re-sign him is if we can't land a 2C and are forced to put Dach or Newhook in the 2nd line centre role.

If we sign a 2C there simply is no more room unless we trade one of Dach or Newhook.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - 2C - Demidov
Heinemen - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Evans - Gally

With that being said......takes a lot of draws for us and has played very well.

I do think his loss will be felt.

If Newhook is tried as second line C again next season, KH should be fired for that alone.
It’s one thing to miss out on free agents, not really his fault if they choose to sign elsewhere. If that happens though, he absolutely needs to make a trade for another C or he is failing at his job and de-railing a rebuild that is coming along nicely, and that he’s put a lot of good work into.
The window opens now. Don’t throw away a year of it with a 4th line LW as your second line C ever again.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

You'll never win playoff series with both Dvorak and Evans in your centre line. It's one or the other IMO.

Having Dvorak/Evans as as your bottom six centres is good enough to win playoff series if you have two legit top six centres (which we clearly don't have). Both can kill penalties, win faceoffs, are solid defensively and can put up around 30 points which is what you want from your bottom six centres in the playoffs.

That being said, with guys like Beck/Kapanen around, Dvorak shouldn't be re-signed and all of Hughes focus should be on getting a legit #2 guy.