Injury Report: Chris Neil After Going Hard Into Boards ECSF Game 3

[steelerfan58]

I can understand why you would think that Canadian Guy since PPs are 16-10 in favor of the Pens in the series. I think the number of penalties are more an indication of the type game you play. Sens play a more physical checking game than the Pens and I think that's why they get more penalties. When the Pens played the Isles both teams relied on speed. PPs in that series was 21-20 Pens and both teams' fans constantly complained about the refs. It's a fans right I guess.

 

[SenzZen]

I am a diehard Pens fan and I try to visit as many of the other teams chat boards as I can. One thing they all have in common is the firm belief that NHL refs hate their team, their incompetent and are the sole reason for any given loss. If you read the Pens board you see the exact same slanderous comments directed toward the officiating there as you do here. I prefer to think that great teams overcome questionable officiating and if you are truly objective you will see that on average there are numerous "bad or no calls" against both teams during most games. The great ones deal with it and move on, seldom using it as an excuse for defeat.
Also I would expect more games like the last 2 and fewer like the first. Unlike a lot of my colleagues on the Pens board I seen this series going at least 6 games and likely 7before it started. Sens D and Anderson are too good to allow another blowout and when games stay close, as we just saw, anything can and does happen.
OBTW, any news on Neil. I hate the guy but will admit the games are more exiting when he's on the ice. He's one of those guys you hate ... unless he's on your team.

Thanks for the lecture, but what "colleagues" are you speaking of?

Your only posts are in this thread...

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

That was definitely interference and also a very high hit. The puck was at least 10 ft away from Spezza when Adams hit him. Should have been at least a 2 minute penalty for interference. If it had been Crosby or Malkin it would have been an automatic penalty. The NHL can't imagine the Penguins with all their stars not moving on in the play-offs, hence all the bad calls against the Senators.

If you really believed this, you wouldn't waste your time watching.

 

[Dana Scully]

I say we keep the conspiracy theory out of the NHL and leave them in soccer leagues

I say we leave their chants there too...

 

[steelerfan58]

Thanks for the lecture, but what "colleagues" are you speaking of?

Your only posts are in this thread...

Just signed up today so I have a grand total of 2 posts. My "colleagues" would be other Pens fans on our chat board on the PG+ (Pitt Post Gazette) pay web site. Many there were predicting a sweep or 5 games at best. I thought minimum 6 likely 7. Anytime you need another "lecture" let me know. I got a million of them.

 

[Northern Neighbour]

I can understand why you would think that Canadian Guy since PPs are 16-10 in favor of the Pens in the series. I think the number of penalties are more an indication of the type game you play. Sens play a more physical checking game than the Pens and I think that's why they get more penalties. When the Pens played the Isles both teams relied on speed. PPs in that series was 21-20 Pens and both teams' fans constantly complained about the refs. It's a fans right I guess.

I thought the first two games of the series were officiated quite well. Game 3, though, was decidedly lopsided in the Penguins' favour with questionable calls on Smith for roughing (he gave Malkin a love tap), Karlsson for embellishment, and Karlsson for slashing. Meanwhile, three calls that should have been penalties on the Penguins were not called (a slash to Karlsson's stick that made him lose it, another slash on a Sens player causing the same occurrence, and Cooke's highstick on Karlsson). Those were just blatant bad calls or non-calls.

 

[steelerfan58]

I will give you Smith for roughing and Karlsson for embelishment (picky calls) but Karlsson slashed the Pens stick (remember the play but not the player) with a force that broke his own stick. I thought Cooke got Karlsson on the arm and Karlsson kinda "helped" the stick go high. Agree that they did miss a couple other slashes tho. Not the worst officiated game I've seen but definitely could have been better. I will even give that calls leaned toward the Pens in this game but don't think it altered the outcome. Sens made plays when they had to, Pens did not.

 

[MiscBrah]

I will give you Smith for roughing and Karlsson for embelishment (picky calls) but Karlsson slashed the Pens stick (remember the play but not the player) with a force that broke his own stick. I thought Cooke got Karlsson on the arm and Karlsson kinda "helped" the stick go high. Agree that they did miss a couple other slashes tho. Not the worst officiated game I've seen but definitely could have been better. I will even give that calls leaned toward the Pens in this game but don't think it altered the outcome. Sens made plays when they had to, Pens did not.

Karlsson's sticks break like Twigs. I think you'll notice that the blade of his stick hits the ice and pops off. If you don't know this most hockey sticks are two separate pieces. The shaft and the blade. If the blade isn't attached correctly it will easily pop off.

The exact same thing happened to Karlsson in game 2 and then in game 3 he gets called in the last minute. If the ref actually used his brain for more than 2 seconds he would have seen what really happened.

It's also hilarious calling Karlsson for diving when you have the Pens on the other side. It's almost as funny as when the Canucks called out the Sharks for diving.

 

[great1]

Ian Mendes ‏@ian_mendes
Chris Neil is one of the first Sens players on the ice this morning.

 

[The Expert]

So ****ing happy to see Mendes and Wallace tweet about Neil being on the ice.

Guy is so important to our team, especially in the playoffs. More than anyone will admit.

 

[great1]

So ****ing happy to see Mendes and Wallace tweet about Neil being on the ice.

Guy is so important to our team, especially in the playoffs. More than anyone will admit.

Absolutely, very underrated what he does for our team.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I will give you Smith for roughing and Karlsson for embelishment (picky calls) but Karlsson slashed the Pens stick (remember the play but not the player) with a force that broke his own stick. I thought Cooke got Karlsson on the arm and Karlsson kinda "helped" the stick go high. Agree that they did miss a couple other slashes tho. Not the worst officiated game I've seen but definitely could have been better. I will even give that calls leaned toward the Pens in this game but don't think it altered the outcome. Sens made plays when they had to, Pens did not.

**** right off, it shouldnt be a penalty for breaking your own stick on the ice. Not too mention what happened early in the game with his stick being two hand chopped out of his hands earlier.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I will give you Smith for roughing and Karlsson for embelishment (picky calls) but Karlsson slashed the Pens stick (remember the play but not the player) with a force that broke his own stick. I thought Cooke got Karlsson on the arm and Karlsson kinda "helped" the stick go high. Agree that they did miss a couple other slashes tho. Not the worst officiated game I've seen but definitely could have been better. I will even give that calls leaned toward the Pens in this game but don't think it altered the outcome. Sens made plays when they had to, Pens did not.

I missed this one... he "helped" Cooke's stick go high? ********. It was either a high stick or it wasn't.

 

[Sensinitis]

I will give you Smith for roughing and Karlsson for embelishment (picky calls) but Karlsson slashed the Pens stick (remember the play but not the player) with a force that broke his own stick. I thought Cooke got Karlsson on the arm and Karlsson kinda "helped" the stick go high. Agree that they did miss a couple other slashes tho. Not the worst officiated game I've seen but definitely could have been better. I will even give that calls leaned toward the Pens in this game but don't think it altered the outcome. Sens made plays when they had to, Pens did not.

LOL he helped the stick go high. That's a good one.

 

[Holdurbreathe]

LOL he helped the stick go high. That's a good one.

Pretty funny considering Cooke raised his stick in an attempt to knock down a puck at Karlsson's head level!!!!

Anyway, I was at the game and the officials were brutal. Thought only the BEST got to work playoff games, if these guys are the best the NHL has a significant issue.

 

[DuckedUpOnQuack]

Please don't compare Prust to Neil. I know you didn't mean it like this, but it is, imo, an insult to Neil. "Bug-eyed fat walrus". Yeah, real character guy right there. Talking like he wants to go for Gryba himself instead of the league suspending him for a clean hit. Right. Prust would get filled in by Gryba, nevermind the guys Neil fights like Chara or Lucic or Orr.

I understand the emotional reaction against Prust but I don't think you're giving him near enough credit. I personally don't like him either but the guy deserves credit for his actions (not words).

Although he doesn't win a lot of fights he's a team first guy who is willing to fight the heavies. He's fought Hordichuk, Boll, Bissonnette, Janssen, Staubitz, Peters, Gillies, Lucic, Rupp, Engelland, Boulton, Martin, Rosehill, Sestito, Neil, and McLaren over the past 4 years. He fights a lot. Gryba's heavyweight fight card is non-existent at the NHL level. As much as I like Gryba, he's not in the same league as Prust in terms of fighting ability.

Technically as a fighter Neil is miles ahead of him, but he's a guy who will step up the plate and fight anyone. And, as much as his comment about Paulrus was incredibly stupid, it doesn't make him a bad character guy. I think his teammates probably think pretty highly of him. Not to mention he's a warrior like Neil and will play through pretty much any injury.

"One of Brandon Prust's ribs separated from its cartilage. That's painful enough. Then, the Montreal Canadiens winger pushed the rib back into place—himself."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...l-canadiens-ottawa-senators-nhl-playoffs-2013

 

[shootingrubber]

So ****ing happy to see Mendes and Wallace tweet about Neil being on the ice.

Guy is so important to our team, especially in the playoffs. More than anyone will admit.

Yeah, this. Exactly, this. People sometimes complain about him, but he really does bring a lot to our team. All heart and soul. Love the guy.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I understand the emotional reaction against Prust but I don't think you're giving him near enough credit. I personally don't like him either but the guy deserves credit for his actions (not words).

Although he doesn't win a lot of fights he's a team first guy who is willing to fight the heavies. He's fought Hordichuk, Boll, Bissonnette, Janssen, Staubitz, Peters, Gillies, Lucic, Rupp, Engelland, Boulton, Martin, Rosehill, Sestito, Neil, and McLaren over the past 4 years. He fights a lot. Gryba's heavyweight fight card is non-existent at the NHL level. As much as I like Gryba, he's not in the same league as Prust in terms of fighting ability.

Technically as a fighter Neil is miles ahead of him, but he's a guy who will step up the plate and fight anyone. And, as much as his comment about Paulrus was incredibly stupid, it doesn't make him a bad character guy. I think his teammates probably think pretty highly of him. Not to mention he's a warrior like Neil and will play through pretty much any injury.

"One of Brandon Prust's ribs separated from its cartilage. That's painful enough. Then, the Montreal Canadiens winger pushed the rib back into place—himself."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...l-canadiens-ottawa-senators-nhl-playoffs-2013

char·ac·ter [kar-ik-ter]
noun
1.the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing.
2.one such feature or trait; characteristic.
3.moral or ethical quality: a man of fine, honorable character.
4.qualities of honesty, courage, or the like; integrity: It takes character to face up to a bully.
5.reputation: a stain on one's character.

If insulting the appearance of someone else isn't a knock against someone's character, then what is? Not to mention I thought his play throughout the series flat out sucked. Don't know why people get so enamored with the idea of "character" anyway. "Intangibles" and "character" and being "dynamic"...all words that really mean nothing when it comes to athlete performance. Pointless superlatives used by journalists who use a thesaurus to write their stories.

 

[DuckedUpOnQuack]

If insulting the appearance of someone else isn't a knock against someone's character, then what is? Not to mention I thought his play throughout the series flat out sucked. Don't know why people get so enamored with the idea of "character" anyway. "Intangibles" and "character" and being "dynamic"...all words that really mean nothing when it comes to athlete performance. Pointless superlatives used by journalists who use a thesaurus to write their stories.

I think you're ready too much into the whole character thing. What I'm saying is, just because Prust said something dumb in the media, doesn't mean he's not adored by his teammates in the locker room (how most people define a 'character guy').

Anyway this discussion isn't about Prust, but about Neil. All I did was say Prust was probably one of the closest things to a Neil in the league, doesn't mean I (or anyone else) thinks they are close. Neil is pretty unique in his ability to play a regular shift, throw huge hits, and go take on heavies.

 

[steelerfan58]

I missed this one... he "helped" Cooke's stick go high? ********. It was either a high stick or it wasn't.

I try my best to be objective and do admit when I'm wrong. I went back and watched the video and Karlsson's arm comes up after the stick to the face. OK, high stick not called. The 1st time I saw the video it looked like Karlsson lifted Cooke's stick with his arm but watching more closely that was not the case. I have seen players do this before to draw a high sticking penalty and thought Karlsson was trying that. I was wrong. Shoot me.

 

[Countdown0]

I understand the emotional reaction against Prust but I don't think you're giving him near enough credit. I personally don't like him either but the guy deserves credit for his actions (not words).

Although he doesn't win a lot of fights he's a team first guy who is willing to fight the heavies. He's fought Hordichuk, Boll, Bissonnette, Janssen, Staubitz, Peters, Gillies, Lucic, Rupp, Engelland, Boulton, Martin, Rosehill, Sestito, Neil, and McLaren over the past 4 years. He fights a lot. Gryba's heavyweight fight card is non-existent at the NHL level. As much as I like Gryba, he's not in the same league as Prust in terms of fighting ability.

Technically as a fighter Neil is miles ahead of him, but he's a guy who will step up the plate and fight anyone. And, as much as his comment about Paulrus was incredibly stupid, it doesn't make him a bad character guy. I think his teammates probably think pretty highly of him. Not to mention he's a warrior like Neil and will play through pretty much any injury.

"One of Brandon Prust's ribs separated from its cartilage. That's painful enough. Then, the Montreal Canadiens winger pushed the rib back into place—himself."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...l-canadiens-ottawa-senators-nhl-playoffs-2013

I think Prust gets too much credit. You can talk about him being a character guy, but his elbow to Conacher's head (smallest guy on our team) in game 3 shows me that he's just gutless. Greening was still in the game. If Prust wanted someone to get rough with, go through Colin, not a guy who looks up are everyone he plays against.

His comment about MacLean makes him a ****ing crybaby. He should be ashamed of himself for calling Gryba's hit dirty, or acting like an "expert". Hit was clean. He either knows nothing about physics, or he was lying through his teeth.

And Colton Orr has fought a lot of heavies too. He's still just a goon. Fighting big guys doesn't make you tough. Besides, Gryba's fight card also doesn't have him losing any fights either. Here's what I know. Gryba is bigger, and he doesn't ***** and moan to the media when someone hurts his poor wittle feewings by telling the truth. If nothing else, he's more of a man than Prust.

And oooooh, Prust pushed his rib back into place. He also didn't play game 5, so it doesn't matter if he pushed his rib back into place. He got hurt. Richard Zednik got his throat sliced open and got to the bench by himself while his blood was pouring out of his neck. He's not some super tough guy either. Adrenaline.

Point is, Prust gets entirely too much credit. He's just like Brooks Orpik. Everyone acts like they are these big, badass dudes. But the truth is that when a real tough guy comes around, they suddenly lose a lot of effectiveness because they can't take what they dish out.

Like every other human being, Prust had my respect. Then we played a few games against him. He lost that respect. You know who from the Habs has my respect? Price. He never complained once about how his team left him hung out to dry in the 3rd periods in that series. He never got upset when his own team mate kicked his tooth out of his mouth. He never demands a trade despite the Montreal media and a loud portion of the Habs fans trying to crucify him for their losses. He deserves respect, and he gets it. Prust had it, and he lost it.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I try my best to be objective and do admit when I'm wrong. I went back and watched the video and Karlsson's arm comes up after the stick to the face. OK, high stick not called. The 1st time I saw the video it looked like Karlsson lifted Cooke's stick with his arm but watching more closely that was not the case. I have seen players do this before to draw a high sticking penalty and thought Karlsson was trying that. I was wrong. Shoot me.

 

[SanderSen]

I wonder if Conacher helped Cooke punch him in the face last game?

Even though the Sens won, I think what is ticking off Sens fans the most about the officiating in Game 3 is the clear cut stuff that is normally called no matter what. And on the other side, there were more judgement calls against the Sens, such as the Phillips hook.

Both sides can go on about interference or hooks not called, but I can't recall so many clear cut no brainer penalties not called. You would need to go to pre-2004 lockout for me.

 

[Countdown0]

Greening had a big ass cut on his face with pieces of plexi-glass from a stick stuck in it. I didn't see a double minor to any Pens player. Bleeding is supposed to be automatic when a stick is involved.

But hey, Colin is a beast, so he still scored the game winner.

 

[Milan the God*]

I wonder if Conacher helped Cooke punch him in the face last game?

Even though the Sens won, I think what is ticking off Sens fans the most about the officiating in Game 3 is the clear cut stuff that is normally called no matter what. And on the other side, there were more judgement calls against the Sens, such as the Phillips hook.

Both sides can go on about interference or hooks not called, but I can't recall so many clear cut no brainer penalties not called. You would need to go to pre-2004 lockout for me.

Here's what I found annoying:

For stretches in the game, the Penguins would commit infractions. It seemed like the refs had decided to put the whistles away. But then when a Senator would do something, boom, it's called. Such as the Cooke - Karlsson stuff. Cooke high sticks Karlsson directly in the face. There's no denying this. The refs don't call it, even though it's a penalty every time. I figured the whistles were away, even though you can't really keep them away for high-sticking as you're putting players health in danger. But then they call a shady slashing penalty. I agree it was a slash, but they were letting that go all game. Only because a stick broke they decided to call it. And the sad part was, it was Karlsson's stick...