Player Discussion Chris Kreider: Part III

[True Blue]

You aren't wrong to say CK is a first line player because he's a top 60 winger in this league. On the other hand, Kreider as a first liner is similar to Stepan having been a top line center, because he'd have been a top 30 center. It's not mathematically wrong, but at the same time, no playoff bound team would likely consider it ideal to have Stepan as their top center. I see Kreider as more of a complimentary player on your top line. A nice player for sure, but never your go-to guy.

I've just seen enough from CK. His inconsistency and likely salary are just too much for me. Add to that his age, and I can see the back end of that new deal as horrific. He hasn't taken the next step like many of us hoped he would. He plays the PP, but not the PK which was always a disappointment to me since he has such an amazing skill set, but I guess he lacks the hockey IQ. He's a 50 point player who brings a unique skill set. I guess I believe he is a first liner, but I'm not crazy about paying him like one.

He had a good run here, and I enjoyed watching him play, but I think it's time to move on. It's more likely at the deadline, but I'm taking a first rounder plus a sweetener as soon as I can get it.

That is fine. There are drivers on top lines and there are support players. He is the latter. And while you can certainly be disappointed that he has not become anything more, the fact remains that given the fact that he IS a top line player his pick was a home run. And he has been one of the best first round picks for the Rangers in probably 25 years.

 

[Barnaby]

That is fine. There are drivers on top lines and there are support players. He is the latter. And while you can certainly be disappointed that he has not become anything more, the fact remains that given the fact that he IS a top line player his pick was a home run. And he has been one of the best first round picks for the Rangers in probably 25 years.

I never said it was a bad pick. I agreed that he’s a first line player albeit on the latter end of the spectrum in my opinion. I just think him being resigned would be a mistake considering what it will cost, his age etc...

I think it’s time for the player and organization to move on.

 

[True Blue]

I never said it was a bad pick. I agreed that he’s a first line player albeit on the latter end of the spectrum in my opinion. I just think him being resigned would be a mistake considering what it will cost, his age etc...

I think it’s time for the player and organization to move on.

I continue to think that he can be in the picture for the future. It all depends on how much he wants to get paid and how much does he want to be a part of the turnaround. IMO, there is a scenario in which Buchnevich is the one traded and Kreider returns. But I cannot see both.

 

[CaptTennille]

The good thing about Kreider, is that even if he can't get his game going to the level it's been the past two seasons, you can still market his size and speed and have enough interested parties to create a bidding war.

 

[Bring Back Avery]

So, last night was a perfect example of what was being said earlier in this thread regarding CK getting penalized for running people over. He did everything in his power to avoid hitting Hutton and still got the interference penalty. It's no wonder he's so tentative about throwing his weight around.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Does anyone really think he's not gonna be in the 25-30 goal range by the end of the season? C'mon. The market for him will be the same in February as it was at the draft or last year's deadline.

 

[JHS]

You are completely underestimating how the world views him. Again, the guy is a top line player. Now we can debate where in the hierarchy he is, but that does not change the fact of what he is.

So I'm curious- do you think if he was moved in a trade that a top 3 defensemen or a top 6 forward that is NHL ready would be a fair trade for a team that would be trying to make a playoff push or a cup push? I really don't know but if he slots into a top 6 role on most other teams than the Rangers need to get a hefty pile of assets( or just one really good player) when he's moved.

 

[True Blue]

So I'm curious- do you think if he was moved in a trade that a top 3 defensemen or a top 6 forward that is NHL ready would be a fair trade for a team that would be trying to make a playoff push or a cup push? I really don't know but if he slots into a top 6 role on most other teams than the Rangers need to get a hefty pile of assets( or just one really good player) when he's moved.

I do not know why a playoff team would trade a top-3 defenseman. Could they move a promising, young 2nd liner? Sure. It all depends on what the team is and what they are giving up.

Make no mistake, Kreider has a history of playoff performance. He has size and speed. That is a commodity that a team, especially a win-now team will trade for.

 

[Machinehead]

He's slowly coming back into his own.

Loved his reaction to the goal last night. Not satisfied with a cheapie.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The good thing about Kreider, is that even if he can't get his game going to the level it's been the past two seasons, you can still market his size and speed and have enough interested parties to create a bidding war.

Yeah, or maybe all the other teams in the NHL have noticed over the last 7 years that he utilizes his size and speed very infrequently.

 

[CaptTennille]

Yeah, or maybe all the other teams in the NHL have noticed over the last 7 years that he utilizes his size and speed very infrequently.

They didn't notice Rick Nash's goal scoring fell off or that Ryan Reeves just skates around before punching people in the face.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Hope he is looking for real estate out of ny. It’s cold in Edmonton

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Hope he is looking for real estate out of ny. It’s cold in Edmonton

This is the kind of content I come here for.

 

[egelband]

Anyone see Krieder developing a bit of an edge to his game this season? He has gone for big hits way more than I’ve ever seen him do before. I wonder if he’s getting coached up to add a little more crash to his game or if he’s just realizing another dimension is needed when the scoring isn’t there.

 

[aufheben]

This is not good.

2016-19

2019-20

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Move him before everyone else catches on.

 

[aufheben]

This is like Zuccarello last season all over again.

 

[Vitto79]

This is like Zuccarello last season all over again.

Sure but zuc at 5 yrs is nuts

Gotta trade Kreider

 

[egelband]

Sure but zuc at 5 yrs is nuts

Gotta trade Kreider

Yeah I think teams appreciate that the Kreider situation is mostly mental. Not that being traded as a rental would necessarily make him perk up, but I do think everyone appreciates he’s a good player, excellent in the playoffs, with a few very good years left. Despite the dip this season.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kreider is one of the most frustrating players to watch in the last decade.

He's just comes across as so lazy 90% of the time.

Get him off the team before the young players take after him.

 

[AWall THE CLAW]

Kreider never makes a good decision with the puck. The eye test is horrid and the fancy stats bear that out. He worked as a piece in a system that depended so much on the transition game and scoring off the rush. They no longer want to play that way and he's not doing anything to drive possession. I actually think he's making his linemates worse. Get what you can for him quickly and get Kravtsov over here to take his place yesterday.

 

[RangerBoy]

Move him before everyone else catches on.

The biggest fear is did the Rangers wait too long to trade Kreider? The Rangers traded basically everyone with any value remaining from their 13-14 & 14-15 teams. At the trading deadline last season, the Rangers were asking for a deal too good to turn down. There were many Ranger fans on here and twitter who wouldn't trade Kreider for basically anything. At the draft, the Rangers talked to Colorado about the 16th pick overall in a trade for Kreider.

The rental market for forwards is very thin this season. Hall. Kreider. That may be the Rangers saving grace. The market is very bad and there will be teams looking for help at the trading deadline. Kreider needs to wake up so the Rangers can acquire a #1 pick in exchange.

 

[Leonardo87]

CK is going through mental things now. Once the contract thing is over with think he will be fine. Sadly, don’t think he can fetch a 1st rounder now.

I love CK but any team who pays him 7 and 7 are out of their minds. At least with Hayes he is a center and two way player.

 

[SA16]

Kreider isn't lazy or an underachiever. He's just big and he's fast which are the skills that always get insanely overrated in terms of projections. Does he have great hands or vision? Not really. Great shot? Not really. He has two elite attributes and then a bunch of things he's fine at.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

The best time to move him was last year like they did with Mcdonagh. I hope we get a fair bit but I'm expecting a low return.