Rumor: Chris Kreider Arb numbers

[GAGLine]

Remember, the arbitration would only be for 1-2 years of RFA. Palmieri's deal bought out 2 years of RFA and then another 3 years of UFA, which traditionally costs more. For just RFA years alone, Palmieri would have gotten way less.

I imagine if Kreider and his agent are valuing his remaining RFA years at around 4.75M, their long-term number for UFA years would be ~5.5M.

He did get less for those years. His salaries are:

4.5
4.5
5
5
4.25

It's interesting that the final year is the lowest. I'm surprised that Palmieri agreed to that.

Johansson is a similar case, although he was only 1 year away from UFA. He got:

4.25
4.75
4.75

He has slightly better numbers than Kreider over the last 3 years and Palmieri just had a 30 goal, 57 point season, so I would expect Kreider to end up a little lower than either of them on a 4 year deal. Maybe something like this:

4.25
4.25
4.75
4.75

4.5 AAV

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Looks like what I would offer as a GM, and what I would want as a player. Shouldn't be any hold ups really, I highly doubt the sides are too far off. I have to think even if Kreider signed an offersheet for 4.5-5m that NYR would match it.

 

[mouser]

It's interesting that the final year is the lowest. I'm surprised that Palmieri agreed to that.

They probably agreed on the total years/payment, then as part of the haggling some of the 5th year $'s were shifted into earlier years, so Palmeri gets paid sooner.

 

[GAGLine]

Kreider elected arbitration, so doubtful the Rangers elected a two year term which would leave him a UFA at the end of it

So it's likely a 1 year term being arbitrated if it comes down to it.

Finding comparable players who have only a 1 year term in their 2nd to last RFA year, or even their last RFA year, I have not been able to find any.

That doesn't really matter. They can use players like Johansson and Palmieri as comparables. They just look at the first year of the deal, which pays them 4.25 and 4.5, respectively.

 

[PensPlz]

Sounds like a hassle. Pens would happily take him off your hands.

 

[GAGLine]

Looks like what I would offer as a GM, and what I would want as a player. Shouldn't be any hold ups really, I highly doubt the sides are too far off. I have to think even if Kreider signed an offersheet for 4.5-5m that NYR would match it.

He can't sign an offer sheet since he elected arbitration.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

No no no. The Brassard trade shows a desire to get younger.

And Shattenkirk doesn't solve the plethora of problems we have. And just will take up way too much cap space. Why not just re-sign Yandle instead??

I wouldn't even give up a 1st for Shattenkirk. That's how much we don't need him.

I'd sooner trade Zuccarello, to be honest.

How much we don't need Shattenkirk is a lot less than how much we do need him. Sure maybe i'd rather sign him in FA but I would jump on the chance to get him.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Sounds like a hassle. Pens would happily take him off your hands.

I openly welcome Sprong, D. Pouliot, and a 1st +

 

[Off Sides]

He did get less for those years. His salaries are:

4.5
4.5
5
5
4.25

It's interesting that the final year is the lowest. I'm surprised that Palmieri agreed to that.

Johansson is a similar case, although he was only 1 year away from UFA. He got:

4.25
4.75
4.75

He has slightly better numbers than Kreider over the last 3 years and Palmieri just had a 30 goal, 57 point season, so I would expect Kreider to end up a little lower than either of them on a 4 year deal. Maybe something like this:

4.25
4.25
4.75
4.75

4.5 AAV

That final year is the 2020-21 season, which may include a work stoppage, so if a player wants the most salary out of the whole contract, and they feel there may be a work stoppage that year, players are better off being paid less that year and more in the others, or even better getting the money in bonus for that year which would be paid out before any work stoppage.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He can't sign an offer sheet since he elected arbitration.

Sorry, I meant that hypothetically. What I'm saying is that I don't forsee any problems coming from this, because Kreider's ask is definitely reasonable. Even if the arbitrator sides 100% with Kreider (unlikely ofc), I don't think the Rangers would have any problem with it. If Kreider had signed an offersheet for 5 million, the Rangers would've paid it.

 

[PensPlz]

I openly welcome Sprong, D. Pouliot, and a 1st +

If by Sprong you mean Kunitz then yes. Let's do this!

 

[bernmeister]

This makes me think Shattenkirk for Kreider + is a very real possibility.

Maybe Shattenkirk for Kreider + 1st, and the 1st is given back if by some snowballs chance the Rangers don't extend Shatty.

no it is not and when I have a chance I'll elaborate

 

[zharkenby]

I openly welcome Sprong, D. Pouliot, and a 1st +

????

 

[Irishguy42]

If by Sprong you mean Kunitz then yes. Let's do this!

Kill me now.

 

[WesMcCauley]

I think Kreider undervalues his own bargaining power.

Agree. Was shocked he didnt ask for over 5. Will be happy with anything thats 4,3 or lower.

With that said, it would be just wrong to see Kreider get more than Zuccarello considering he was a ufa, much better offensive numbers, and has a better twoway game etc than Kreider. I know Zucc took a huge hometown discount and could easily have gotten 5-6 as a free agent. Hopefully Kreider takes something around 4,2-4,3 for 6 years.

He is extremely inconsistent but he is closer to 5 mill than a Shaw contract imo. Anything under 4,5 is ok, under 4,3 is great.

 

[WesMcCauley]

No no no. The Brassard trade shows a desire to get younger.

And Shattenkirk doesn't solve the plethora of problems we have. And just will take up way too much cap space. Why not just re-sign Yandle instead??

I wouldn't even give up a 1st for Shattenkirk. That's how much we don't need him.

I'd sooner trade Zuccarello, to be honest.

No reason to give up anything for Shatty when he is a ufa next season. Atleast not a top line winger or a high pick.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

no it is not and when I have a chance I'll elaborate

Because Kreider is big, fast, has game breaking potential and size/speed that no one has, etc...

There, i'm saving you the trouble.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Because Kreider is big, fast, has game breaking potential and size/speed that no one has, etc...

There, i'm saving you the trouble.

You forgot without him we are Montreal

Classic Bern

 

[vipernsx]

Recent signing comparable to Kreider are ...

Marcus Johansson age 25, 3 years @ 4.583m
Alex Killorn age 26, 7 years @ 4.45m
Kyle Palmieri age 26, 5 years @ 4.65m

Krieder fits right in there with these 3. When Palmieri signed, some thought he could have gotten more. Seems like this year's contracts are going in the favor of clubs.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

You forgot without him we are Montreal

Classic Bern

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, here is a proposal that trades all of our centers away, etc.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

You forgot without him we are Montreal

Classic Bern

I seriously wonder if the guy has his automatic Kreider defense posts saved in his User CP notepad, they are always identical.

I think Kreids settles for 4.3 AAV over 4 years.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, here is a proposal that trades all of our centers away, etc.

Except Hayes because he's big and young and without him we also = Canadiens!!

 

[Alluckks]

Except Hayes because he's big and young and without him we also = Canadiens!!

Don't forget getting Chara to play as a 4th line forward.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

He should get Killorn money.

 

[TGWL]

Don't forget getting Chara to play as a 4th line forward.

I thought Dylan had that spot?