Speculation: Chris Johnston "An atom bomb could drop"
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We're in a spot where UFA is our only option this offseason, so I'm not holding my breath on that lesson
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The Hanging Jowl
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Run it back. The Leafs played Florida better than anyone so far and even had them by the throat late in game 3. I ain't giving up on this group. Tweaks? Sure. Walk away from Marner if his demands are silly? Sure. But that's it.
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Walking away from Marner isn't running it back though, and while we don't know for sure, the fact that he has both Ferris as his agent and his own history of contract negotiation hardball I think it's a pretty good bet Marner will ask for a lot more than he is worth.
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Sure, it’s not great but this isn’t a Treliving issue since he didn’t sign Marner to an NMC or guarantee him no move walking him into his protection years as that was done before his hiring.
Leafs Shanaplan era has basically walked everyone to free agency.
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I would not be surprised if the door is not closed on Marner. And I think there’s a hinge moment with Ferris on Bennett.
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Oh I wouldn't be surprised if the door isn't closed yet, but I'd be even more surprised if a GM who tried to trade him at the deadline would be willing now to pay him the moon unless directed to by his superiors.
If Pelley forces Treliving into something like that, well, no use worrying about it because if the non-hockey guy is making granular hockey decisions on a regular basis we are screwed regardless.
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There's a pretty big gap between Marner and the names there. I'd also add a gap between the Gaudreau and MTs of the world and that group.
He didn't sign the NMC, but he was aware of it and did have his window to move/make decisions.
And "the Calgary factor" doesn't seem to carry over to many other areas that I can remember. I look at dumps like Winnipeg who were able to resign Scheif and Helle or Buffalo resigning Eichel (only to piss it away on the Doctor issue)
Again, seems like a lot of excuses without much substance on those issues.
I guess we'll see what he does this summer, but my hopes aren't high given what we've seen and what assets we've already pissed away
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That’s fine, we are all in wait and see mode.
Although I don’t see a world where he would have come in the first month as GM and pulled a 180 on Shanahan’s broad direction to keep the Core 4 together. The big project for summer 2023 was to get Auston Matthews signed. Incoming new GM would not be in a position to do whatever he wanted.
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And realistically if Mitch is gone (likely) and suppose JT, I still probably won't.
Daylight savings is November or December, games that mean jack - I'm gonna wake up at 5:45 AM on a Sunday to watch that bullshit? There's even been a few times where I did it and I wasn't exactly alone either, that's always fun.
Of course I was one of the ones who thought Mitch should have been pitched after CBJ, then Montréal and then again after Tampa I, so...
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I see it as a game of musical chairs playing out with a finite supply of UFAs. If there isn’t a compelling mix of guys we can grab to really change it up I could see Rogers conservative mentality meeting Marner’s bluff and it all gets locked into a new contract.
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I can’t see them becoming a contender through free agency.
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If Treliving reports to Pelley how can Pelley evaluate Treliving’s performance as a hockey GM? And will Berube still have access to his boss’s boss, if so, that’s a disaster waiting to happen.
Fox was just a throw in for that trade. Treliving wasted an early 3rd round pick on a player who had told them he didn’t want to sign with them.
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That’s the cost of getting rid of Hamilton, guy bounces around like a ping pong ball and there’s a good reason why………
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Why does Treliving report to anyone? And who the hell is Pelley? Why do we need more than a coach and a GM? I remember when Pat Quinn was both coach and GM and basically told Richard Peddie to stay out of the hockey operations end of the business. Worked a lot better. I've worked for 30 years now and one of the worst things about business is design by committee. Everyone needs to prove how smart they are by having their say and nothing gets done.
If I was pres of MLSE, I wouldn't have a president of hockey operations, I would trust my GM to get the job done. Or not and ditch them. Either way.
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Everyone reports to someone but safe to say Pelley won’t be making hockey decisions.
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And we'll always wonder how many decisions Shanahan made. Might be possible our last 3 GMs were slightly handcuffed. I doubt it will ever come out.
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The downfall of the Leafs with this group was the handing out of NMC in all contracts. There should always be some sort of protection for the player in the early years of a contract. I agree with that. But there needs to be clauses in the contracts where triggers remove the clauses. There needs to be a list of teams a player would be happy to play for if that situation came up. But a straight out no movement clause should be banned. It does hamstring the teams and gives way too much power to the player. Last I knew, the teams have owners and hire players as employees. Not the other way around. Its bad for business.
I wish I could sign a 8 year contract with my job at the same salary without having to worry about being fired. Thats what this is basically.
I wish I could sign a 8 year contract with my job at the same salary without having to worry about being fired. Thats what this is basically.
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Shanahan was in a different role than Pelley and had a hockey background, it would be expected that someone in his role would have input.
Dubas certainly indicated that was the case as he pushed for more autonomy.
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Why not? They have 3/4 of a competitive team already. Treliving doesn't have to complete the team on July 1st. He can use his cap space at the trade deadline 2026.
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I still think they need 2 or 3 top 6, talented players that can drive the team, in addition to a few bottom 6 guys. There’s not enough of those types available, if any.
