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Chris Chelios - What's his legacy in Montreal?

robicgi said:
Still have a signed puck from Lapoint from the old Forum. Was a stud for sure. Anyone remember when hextall threw the hit on Chelios lol. Cant remember the game but think it was playoffs. That's the play I remember from Chelios (loved the guy as a player though just that stands out)
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Yes it was play offs. Seconds left in the game the habs were eliminating the Flyers in 89.
Hextall says it was payback from Chelly almost taking Propps head off with a wicked elbow . Mashing the Flyers forwards head off the glass and leaving him in a bloody pile on the ice.
You tube Chelios on Propp.
 
Mrb1p said:
Yes, as a Habs. I think Subban peaked just as high as Chelios did (Higher ? Unsure if you can call Chelios the best Dman on the planet at any point in his career, meanwhile Subban clearly was from 14 to 16, though the Karlsson injury played a big part in that.)


Id also slot in Coffey, Keith and Karlsson ahead of Chelios.

The biggest omition though, is Chris Pronger.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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PaulD said:
Yes it was play offs. Seconds left in the game the habs were eliminating the Flyers in 89.
Hextall says it was payback from Chelly almost taking Propps head off with a wicked elbow . Mashing the Flyers forwards head off the glass and leaving him in a bloody pile on the ice.
You tube Chelios on Propp.
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Thanks for the refresh , will YouTube for sure
 
Mrb1p said:
IDK man

Is he better than Lapointe, Subban and Markov?

A lot agreed that Lapointe was at times better than Larry.
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Markov could not elevate his game come playoff time, but he was the best we had since Chelios:naughty:

Subban has deliver big time in the post season and a beast in his prime but I take Chelios over those two

Not to knock on Lapointe, one of the big three and so on,
But it was a question of preference...

Harvey and Savard can take care of the offense while Robinson and Chelios will crush beat whatever out of the player
 
PaulD said:
Keenan was over the moon to acquire him.

I hated the trade at the time....and still do.

Had a letter published in the hockey news that summer ripping the Canadiens for the trade.
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Really?? I'd love to read that. I bet you proof read it 3x to get the last names right. I kid of course but that's really cool
 
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Mrb1p said:
Ah, it is true, I didn't remember how hated Subban was around here.
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Watched some highlights from the 2014 playoffs.

Subban was dynamite. He just didn't maintain his peak long enough to be in the same conversation as the all time greats.

Like, if halak duplicated his 2010 magic, he still wouldn't be held in the same regard as Roberto luongo, for example
 
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Mrb1p said:
IDK man

Is he better than Lapointe, Subban and Markov?

A lot agreed that Lapointe was at times better than Larry.
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Yes - by a country mile, Lapointe was steady, Markov high on ice IQ but poor playoff performer, Subban’s peak was too short (a couple of years) couldn’t dominate for a long enough period and was prone to defensive gaffs (like Coffey).

The question to be asked: Chelios better than Robinson? Both having a strong presence defensively, physically & offensively.
 
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Frank Drebin said:
Watched some highlights from the 2014 playoffs.

Subban was dynamite. He just didn't maintain his peak long enough to be in the same conversation as the all time greats.

Like, if halak duplicated his 2010 magic, he still wouldn't be held in the same regard as Roberto luongo, for example
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I recall Subban being fantasic in 014 play offs.

Also the 017 play offs for the Preds.

Chelly had naps that lasted longer than Subbans "peak"
 
Yan Boisjoly said:
I guess it depend of the age of the casual fan...

Chelios is clearly the best American dmen of all time for me and he would easily slide in my all time habs top 4

Robinson Harvey
Chelios Savard

Wish he stayed with us longer... I never got the chance to see him play in a MTL uniform but that's the kind of d men I build my D around. Put up points, GREAT leadership, physical and one of the best in his zone
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I would put Lapointe ahead of him and to be completely honest I was never a big fan of Chelios when he played here. His career after leaving surprised the hell out of me. Having said that, I still think Lapointe was a better defenseman.
 
Never mind the 70's, that was a different era. But when you go through the Habs rosters of the 80's and early 90's it's mind boggling how did we end up like this?
 
Archijerej said:
Never mind the 70's, that was a different era. But when you go through the Habs rosters of the 80's and early 90's it's mind boggling how did we end up like this?
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Incompetence.

This team went down the toilet right after Serge Savard left.

Not because he left , but because the decisions made after he left.

Got worse and worse right up to Molson and Bergevin........... the pair are the punchline of a really bad joke
 
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Mrb1p said:
But then you look at the 2010s and theres Karlsson, Subban, Keith, Hedman, Doughty, Chara, Weber, heck, Even Pronger and Lidstrom if you want to count 2010.

Theres only one name that stands out in these two groups and its Bourque, thats for sure. Sadly, you don't get to just erase the best defenseman of an era, it doesn't make Chelios better to erase him. I peronally think that the 2010s are the most competitive years for defenders after the 70s. (Potvin, Orr, Robinson, Lapointe, Bourque, Savard, Salming, White, Park.)
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70s were great for legendary Dmen for sure.
 
PaulD said:
Incompetence.

This team went down the toilet right after Serge Savard left.

Not because he left , but because the decisions made after he left.

Got worse and worse right up to Molson and Bergevin........... the punchline of a really bad joke
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Even though we won a cup in '93... the Chelios trade was the beginning of the end for me.

Anytime the name of an elite player on the back is perceived to be challenging the status of the crest on the front, they have to go. Add in the cost cutting of the late 90s and the quite frankly poisonous politics and here we are.
 
Estimated_Prophet said:
Of the big three Lapointe was easily the third best. A healthy Savard was the best of the three but he chose to sacrifice offensive stats and was maybe the greatest penalty killing dman ever to play the game. Lapointe took is spot on the PP and accrued alot of points but Serge was the guy that you wanted on the ice at the most important times. Larry was the flashiest and the most spectacular of the three but was also prone to gaffes.
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My hockey watching experience starts in the mid to late 80's so I'm not really qualified to rank any of the 70's guys objectively. FWIW my dad( who started watching the Habs in the very early 60's ) always had Lapointe somewhat below the other 2 and Savard on top as the cement that held everything else together.
 
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Deluded Puck said:
Even though we won a cup in '93... the Chelios trade was the beginning of the end for me.

Anytime the name of an elite player on the back is perceived to be challenging the status of the crest on the front, they have to go. Add in the cost cutting of the late 90s and the quite frankly poisonous politics and here we are.
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This. Its been so obvious now that this is a real issue. I doesnt even really seem to be driven by the team either, it all stems from the media. (Though whos to say Molson doesnt have a play in those.)
 
Mrb1p said:
This. Its been so obvious now that this is a real issue. I doesnt even really seem to be driven by the team either, it all stems from the media. (Though whos to say Molson doesnt have a play in those.)
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I mean the Roy trade is such a clear example of this.

Tremblay felt Roy needed to be humbled

Once Roy decided he couldn't play for Tremblay, Corey and Houle were only interested in getting a Francopohone to replace him. That's why they chose Thibault over Ed Belfour (Chicago offered a package centered around him). Then they shipped Keane with him out because they couldn't handle the media critique of him being an anglophone captain. Over in Detroit, Scotty Bowman was FURIOUS lol.
 
Deluded Puck said:
I mean the Roy trade is such a clear example of this.

Tremblay felt Roy needed to be humbled

Once Roy decided he couldn't play for Tremblay, Corey and Houle were only interested in getting a Francopohone to replace him. That's why they chose Thibault over Ed Belfour (Chicago offered a package centered around him). Then they shipped Keane with him out because they couldn't handle the media critique of him being an anglophone captain. Over in Detroit, Scotty Bowman was FURIOUS lol.
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Thats really were it all started. You can look at the team prior and there was no french english BS, at least not on the ice.
 
robicgi said:
Still have a signed puck from Lapoint from the old Forum. Was a stud for sure. Anyone remember when hextall threw the hit on Chelios lol. Cant remember the game but think it was playoffs. That's the play I remember from Chelios (loved the guy as a player though just that stands out)
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it was because chelios took a run at brian propp earlier ( at least I am pretty sure about that)

The best thing about chelios was his shoulder pads, they looked like a freaking cut up winter sweater. He was a mean sob who played physical and DIDN'T hide behind robocop equipment even as some players moved to more and more protection.
 
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