CHL to NCAA Commits

[Hollywood3]

This is true. It's also true that NCAA Commitments are worth precisely the paper they are printed on. They are not contracts, and NCAA programs can (and often do) rescind their offer just as quickly as they gave it.



These verbal commitments often take the form of "if I play USports, I am coming to Laurier" which is what likely happened here. They were probably 50-50 propositions at best.

This is what made the CHL scholarships better than NCAA scholarships. The player owns his CHL scholarship and can take it anywhere. NCAA has no binding contracts. You could get a free ride one year and if the coach is fired and the new coach brings in new guys, maybe you get a 50% scholarship. Problem is that the 50% you pay could be thousands more than a year at a Canadian school.

 

[AUS Fan]

This is what made the CHL scholarships better than NCAA scholarships. The player owns his CHL scholarship and can take it anywhere. NCAA has no binding contracts. You could get a free ride one year and if the coach is fired and the new coach brings in new guys, maybe you get a 50% scholarship. Problem is that the 50% you pay could be thousands more than a year at a Canadian school.

I was wondering how many coaches get fired and found this: All-time Coaching Changes by Year

 

[EH7]

Would expect Rousseau to announce a commitment soon as well. MacPhee is likely AUS bound.

 

[AUS Fan]

Would expect Rousseau to announce a commitment soon as well. MacPhee is likely AUS bound.

I figured Schultz would be heading South.

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

I was wondering how many coaches get fired and found this: All-time Coaching Changes by Year

NCAA Hockey Coaches rarely get fired. They tend to stick around for decades, because it's a great job by hockey coaching standards ... you get paid well, you have very little travel, you choose your own roster, and there is zero roster turnover in-season so you can actually develop a team.

What happens more often is that a player underachieves and is not offered a scholarship the next season. Once a player and the team sign their scholarship agreement, it is only good for one season. That is not a well-known fact ... NCAA scholarships are year-to-year.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Will Gerrior (2004, OHL, Ottawa 67s) commits to Maine

 

[AUS Fan]

NCAA Hockey Coaches rarely get fired. They tend to stick around for decades, because it's a great job by hockey coaching standards ... you get paid well, you have very little travel, you choose your own roster, and there is zero roster turnover in-season so you can actually develop a team.

What happens more often is that a player underachieves and is not offered a scholarship the next season. Once a player and the team sign their scholarship agreement, it is only good for one season. That is not a well-known fact ... NCAA scholarships are year-to-year.

I agree, but 4 coaches were fired last season.

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

I agree, but 4 coaches were fired last season.

4 / 64 gives you an average coach tenure of 16 years

 

[JMCx4]

4 / 64 gives you an average coach tenure of 16 years

Is that Hockey Math?

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

Is that Hockey Math?

64 / 4 = 16 / 1 ... apologies if the math confused you.

Think about it this way: The AUS has 7 teams. If precisely 1 coach is fired every year, then by definition it will take 7 years for all 7 teams to fire their coach once. That's how the math works.

 

[JMCx4]

64 / 4 = 16 / 1 ... apologies if the math confused you.

Think about it this way: The AUS has 7 teams. If precisely 1 coach is fired every year, then by definition it will take 7 years for all 7 teams to fire their coach once. That's how the math works.

Thanks for showing your work. I carried the 7.

 

[Rob]

I think it was mentioned already, but would USports consider dropping the red shirt requirement for pros entering the league after one year of pro experience? This could help compensate for the loss of players to the NCAA.

 

[dm8895]

I think it was mentioned already, but would USports consider dropping the red shirt requirement for pros entering the league after one year of pro experience? This could help compensate for the loss of players to the NCAA.

AUS Fan said this on the other thread on this topic.

 

[AUS Fan]

AUS Fan said this on the other thread on this topic.

I did, but it was a solid rumor and not a fact.

There are lots of OA's out there. Maybe 40 or so have committed to NCAA.

I'm not sure how much recruiting takes place this time of year other than the odd ECHL guy who is tired of riding the bus and these guys have already been recruited in the spring.

As has been said many times, it will be a while until we see the full impact of this.

 

[AUS Fan]

Up to 42 commits:

Current Team	Player Name	Pos.	College
Barrie Colts	WIGLE, Zachary	C	Rochester Institute of Technology Tigers
Brandon Wheat Kings	NGUYEN, Marcus	RW	University of Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks
Calgary Hitmen	TULK, Oliver	C	University of Wisconsin Badgers
Drummondville Voltigeurs	WOODWORTH, Luke	C	University of Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks
Drummondville Voltigeurs	OLIVER, Sam	C	University of New Hampshire Wildcats
Erie Otters	FIMIS, Pano	C	University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Everett Silvertips	COURTNEY, Beau	C	University of Alaska-Fairbanks Nanooks
Flint Firebirds	KONYEN, Evan	RW	Rochester Institute of Technology Tigers
Gatineau Olympiques	MINVILLE, Jeremie	C	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Halifax Mooseheads	SCHULTZ, Brady	LD	Quinnipiac University Bobcats
Kelowna Rockets	CICEK, Micheal	RW	Michegan Tech
Kingston Frontenacs	GUINDON, Cedrick	C	University of Vermont Catamounts
Kitchener Rangers	PARSONS, Jackson	G	Clarkson University Golden Knights
Kitchener Rangers	MISALJEVIC, Adrian	C	Clarkson University Golden Knights
Moncton Wildcats	STEINMAN, Jacob	G	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Moose Jaw Warriors	DOWHANIUK, Keaton	RD	University of Alaska-Fairbanks Nanooks
Niagara IceDogs	VAN VLIET, Noah	LD	Sacred Heart University Pioneers
North Bay Battalion	VAN STEENSEL, Owen	LW	Clarkson University Golden Knights
North Bay Battalion	LEBLANC, Andrew	C	Princeton University Tigers
North Bay Battalion	LEBLANC, Jacob	RD	Princeton University Tigers
Ottawa 67's	GERRIOR, Will	LW	University of Maine Black Bears
Portland Winterhawks	JUGNAUTH, Tyson	LD	Michigan State University Spartans
Prince Albert Raiders	HILDEBRAND, Max	G	Bemidji State University Beavers
Red Deer Rebels	LARSON, Jhett	C	University of Alaska-Fairbanks Nanooks
Regina Pats	WHITEHEAD, Braxton	RW	Arizona State University Sun Devils
Rimouski Oceanic	FAUCHON, Jonathan	C	Providence College Friars
Rouyn-Noranda Huskies	CARR, Alex	RD	University of New Hampshire Wildcats
Saginaw Spirit	MANGONE, Calem	RW	Lake Superior State Univ. Lakers
Sarnia Sting	DOUCETTE,Tyson	C	Colgate University Raiders
Saskatoon Blades	SAUNDERSON, Benjamin	LD	Quinnipiac University Bobcats
Saskatoon Blades	SIEPMANN, Grayden	RD	University of Minnesota-Duluth Bulldogs
Soo Greyhounds	CARLISLE, Caeden	LD	University of Notre Dame
Spokane Chiefs	CRAMPTON, Brayden	RD	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Swift Current Broncos	DEZAINDE, Carlin	C	University of Connecticut Huskies
Swift Current Broncos	BIRNIE, Brady	C	Bemidji State University Beavers
Tri-City Americans	MACADAMS, Carter	LW	Northern Michigan University Wildcats
Tri-City Americans	SLOAN, Jake	C	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Val-d'Or Foreurs	REINHART, Noah	RW	Michigan Tech Huskies
Vancouver Giants	LEVIS, Connor	C	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Vancouver Giants	ZIMMER, Tyson	RW	Niagria University Purple Eagles
Victoria Royals	SCOTT, Tanner	C	Bowling Green State University Falcons
Wenatchee Wild	HAUSER, Daniel	G	University of Wisconsin Badgers
Windsor Spitfires	MORNEAU, Noah	C	Bowling Green State University Falcons

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

NCAA route hot new shiny opportunity for chl players but what most chl players or agent don’t tell these kids full ride is year to year. I expect a lot of guys will realize fast ncaa business vs usport model of education first. And players won’t see much ice time they expect. Which will result transfer back to Usports and i question ncaa clock/eligiblity rules from player standard which would result in chl players ending up at usports this coming September

I do expect 1 year pro allowed to be eligible without sitting 365 days.

 

[AUS Fan]

NCAA route hot new shiny opportunity for chl players but what most chl players or agent don’t tell these kids full ride is year to year. I expect a lot of guys will realize fast ncaa business vs usport model of education first. And players won’t see much ice time they expect. Which will result transfer back to Usports and i question ncaa clock/eligiblity rules from player standard which would result in chl players ending up at usports this coming September

I do expect 1 year pro allowed to be eligible without sitting 365 days.

Fully agree with this comment. I would hope these guys know how the NCAA scholarships works, but perhaps it's as you say - chasing the shiny object. Not sure if I've said this before, but there are lots of unknowns....

 

[JMCx4]

... Not sure if I've said this before, but there are lots of unknowns....

"This is a recording ..."

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

NCAA route hot new shiny opportunity for chl players but what most chl players or agent don’t tell these kids full ride is year to year. I expect a lot of guys will realize fast ncaa business vs usport model of education first. And players won’t see much ice time they expect.I do expect 1 year pro allowed to be eligible without sitting 365 days.

It's not accurate to label NCAA as business-first and USports as education-first. I can tell you that they will get just as good - if not better - an education at most Div I Hockey NCAA schools than at many Canadian universities. What really matters are (1) the degree program they choose and (2) their effort in the classroom. The NCAA gets a bad reputation because so many top football and basketball programs have neglected their studies over the years, but the average NCAA athlete who needs to maintain their eligibility is a serious student.

 

[AUS Fan]

It's not accurate to label NCAA as business-first and USports as education-first. I can tell you that they will get just as good - if not better - an education at most Div I Hockey NCAA schools than at many Canadian universities. What really matters are (1) the degree program they choose and (2) their effort in the classroom. The NCAA gets a bad reputation because so many top football and basketball programs have neglected their studies over the years, but the average NCAA athlete who needs to maintain their eligibility is a serious student.

I've always said that about Hockey players as opposed to Football and B-Ball.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

It's not accurate to label NCAA as business-first and USports as education-first. I can tell you that they will get just as good - if not better - an education at most Div I Hockey NCAA schools than at many Canadian universities. What really matters are (1) the degree program they choose and (2) their effort in the classroom. The NCAA gets a bad reputation because so many top football and basketball programs have neglected their studies over the years, but the average NCAA athlete who needs to maintain their eligibility is a serious student.

I meant you’ll see a lot of kids scholarship not getting renewed after 1st year and basically coaching saying you won’t player much here. And I cannot renew your year to year scholarship. Which then chl will end up at usports. I’ve seen this happen many times to athletes going ncaa route. That why ncaa business first.

 

[dm8895]

I meant you’ll see a lot of kids scholarship not getting renewed after 1st year and basically coaching saying you won’t player much here. And I cannot renew your year to year scholarship. Which then chl will end up at usports. I’ve seen this happen many times to athletes going ncaa route. That why ncaa business first.

I mean sure you can have your scholarship pulled and the CHL education package once you go CIS isn’t going to be pulled but from a playing perspective we have guys all over Canada not playing when I’m sure they think they should be . UNB is obviously an extreme example with the talent coming in but it’s what I know best …I’m pretty confident guys like Peter Trainor , Geordie Wudrick ,Justin Nolet , Pat Kyte etc never would have saw themselves being healthy scratches when they arrived .

 

[MiamiHockeyII]

I meant you’ll see a lot of kids scholarship not getting renewed after 1st year and basically coaching saying you won’t player much here. And I cannot renew your year to year scholarship. Which then chl will end up at usports. I’ve seen this happen many times to athletes going ncaa route. That why ncaa business first.

Sorry, mate, but that's completely wrong.

The NCAA has approved an increase to 26 Full Scholarships for each Div I hockey starting next season. 26.

Quick math tells you that each team will need 6.5 new recruits per season just to fill all 26 sports. 64 Teams x 6.5 Scholarships = 416 new Scholarships each season. And that's not factoring in players who turn Pro before graduation OR players who leave college hockey for other reasons.

There are only 60 CHL Teams. Each of those is not capable of producing 6.5 players per season to fill NCAA Div I Scholarships. So, the majority of NCAA Div I scholarships will still be given to Jr A players (including USHL / NAHL).

If you're coming out of the CHL, you're coming out of the top Junior league in the world, and you're going to slot in well ahead of Jr A players.

What is infinitely more likely than coaches not renewing a Scholarship is a player who returns home for personal reasons, financial reasons, or because they have fallen down the depth chart. But the idea that a lot of kids scholarships won't get renewed each year is fanciful thinking, sorry.

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

Sorry, mate, but that's completely wrong.

The NCAA has approved an increase to 26 Full Scholarships for each Div I hockey starting next season. 26.

Quick math tells you that each team will need 6.5 new recruits per season just to fill all 26 sports. 64 Teams x 6.5 Scholarships = 416 new Scholarships each season. And that's not factoring in players who turn Pro before graduation OR players who leave college hockey for other reasons.

There are only 60 CHL Teams. Each of those is not capable of producing 6.5 players per season to fill NCAA Div I Scholarships. So, the majority of NCAA Div I scholarships will still be given to Jr A players (including USHL / NAHL).

If you're coming out of the CHL, you're coming out of the top Junior league in the world, and you're going to slot in well ahead of Jr A players.

What is infinitely more likely than coaches not renewing a Scholarship is a player who returns home for personal reasons, financial reasons, or because they have fallen down the depth chart. But the idea that a lot of kids scholarships won't get renewed each year is fanciful thinking, sorry.

A lot of schools won’t use 26 allowed scholarships based on few AD I talk to recently. Ideally 23 is max per these AD

 

[hockeyinsiderusports]

I mean sure you can have your scholarship pulled and the CHL education package once you go CIS isn’t going to be pulled but from a playing perspective we have guys all over Canada not playing when I’m sure they think they should be . UNB is obviously an extreme example with the talent coming in but it’s what I know best …I’m pretty confident guys like Peter Trainor , Geordie Wudrick ,Justin Nolet , Pat Kyte etc never would have saw themselves being healthy scratches when they arrived .

More than meets eye to this reply. “Cap” UNB will be fine in this process but fans better get use to not landing all top recruits like in past. Gards saw writing on wall , he told few us it was part of reason he left. Moncton ideal situation for him/his family and new “Cap” environment